Iran is in BIG trouble now!

[Torque]

Ah, there in lies the answer to the preverbal question as to why when it comes to the Christian Crusude for Oil in the middle-east regardless of the circumstances the British PM of the time becomes an American Foreign Ambassador.


It wasn't my fault your honor, Johnny asked me to do it!

Elfie, is that the best you can do?

[Elfie]

Torque, not saying the CIA didnt plan the operation, not saying we weren't involved. Just wondering why people on this board ignore the British involvement. The British were the ones after oil is this case, not the US

Why we helped I have no idea yet. I haven't found reasons for that yet.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
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You Sir are a lousy judge of character,  [/B]

And I'm on his ignore list.

Funny that people put others on ignore. Even more funny is when they announce it in thier sig, as if that makes a bold statement or something. I guess the statement would be: "look at me, I'm ignoring NUKE!"

hahaha You go!

Anyway, sorry if that derails my thread, which has been "off-topic" for awhile anyway.

[Elfie]

For the next 25 years, the Shah of Iran stood fast as the United States' closest ally in the Third World, to a degree that would have shocked the independent and neutral Mossadegh. The Shah literally placed his country at the disposal of US military and intelligence organizations to be used as a cold-war weapon, a window and a door to the Soviet Union-electronic listening and radar posts were set up near the Soviet border; American aircraft used Iran as a base to launch surveillance flights over the Soviet Union; espionage agents were infiltrated across the border; various American military installations dotted the Iranian landscape. Iran was viewed as a vital link in the chain being forged by the United States to "contain" the Soviet Union. In a telegram to the British Acting Foreign Secretary in September, Dulles said: "I think if we can in coordination move quickly and effectively in Iran we would close the most dangerous gap in the line from Europe to South Asia.'' In February 1955, Iran became a member of the Baghdad Pact, set up by the United States, in Dulles's words, "to create a solid band of resistance against the Soviet Union".

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iran_KH.html

That's what was in it for the US. (Just had to read farther in that article)

[Torque]

Originally posted by Elfie
Torque, not saying the CIA didnt plan the operation, not saying we weren't involved. Just wondering why people on this board ignore the British involvement. The British were the ones after oil is this case, not the US

Why we helped I have no idea yet. I haven't found reasons for that yet.

"One year after the coup, the Iranian government completed a contract with an international consortium of oil companies. Amongst Iran's new foreign partners, the British lost the exclusive rights they had enjoyed previously, being reduced now to 40 percent. Another 40 percent now went to American oil firms,"

Hey, ya think the muscle car era of the 60's would of been the same if not for cheap Iranian and Iraqi Oil?

Odd how history works ,eh?

And i would have the same response to a Brit if he posted " why do they hate us" or "look how fekup Iran is, we should invade"

But you see they don't, cuz they know da facts.

[Torque]

Originally posted by Elfie
For the next 25 years, the Shah of Iran stood fast as the United States' closest ally in the Third World, to a degree that would have shocked the independent and neutral Mossadegh. The Shah literally placed his country at the disposal of US military and intelligence organizations to be used as a cold-war weapon, a window and a door to the Soviet Union-electronic listening and radar posts were set up near the Soviet border; American aircraft used Iran as a base to launch surveillance flights over the Soviet Union; espionage agents were infiltrated across the border; various American military installations dotted the Iranian landscape. Iran was viewed as a vital link in the chain being forged by the United States to "contain" the Soviet Union. In a telegram to the British Acting Foreign Secretary in September, Dulles said: "I think if we can in coordination move quickly and effectively in Iran we would close the most dangerous gap in the line from Europe to South Asia.'' In February 1955, Iran became a member of the Baghdad Pact, set up by the United States, in Dulles's words, "to create a solid band of resistance against the Soviet Union".

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Iran_KH.html

That's what was in it for the US. (Just had to read farther in that article)

Oh i get now, you over throw a democracy to stop communism!

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Torque
Oh i get now, you over throw a democracy to stop communism!

Good thing the Iranians took matters into their own hands and overthrew the US backed government. Now Iran is run by it's own people and everyone should respect that, right?

[Masherbrum]

The Patriot Missile wasn't as effective as the rest of the world was led to believe.  This "SAM missle theatre system" is gonna be in the same category.   I guarantee you a field mouse could get into Iran without triggering an alarm.   Personally, to hell with the whole region.  

Karaya

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by NUKE
I'm making a valid point. The point being the the UN holds no power and demands no respect because they refuse to enforce their demands with force when required.

This has led to a situation in which NOBODY cares what the UN demands.

Yeah?  Tell it to the Serbs, Nuke.

curly

[NUKE]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Yeah?  Tell it to the Serbs, Nuke.

curly

What did the UN do to the Serbs?

You probably mean NATO.

[straffo]

Originally posted by NUKE
What did the UN do to the Serbs?

You probably mean NATO.

Wasn't Nato mandanted by the UN ?

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Yeah?  Tell it to the Serbs, Nuke.

curly

Whoops.

Karaya

[Elfie]

And i would have the same response to a Brit if he posted " why do they hate us" or "look how fekup Iran is, we should invade"

Not sure why you said that Torque, never posted anything like that nor did I imply it.

Oh i get now, you over throw a democracy to stop communism!

I didnt overthrow any democracy, I wasn't even born yet

[Elfie]

Originally posted by GScholz
The CIA knew exactly what kind of man they put in power, and they knew exactly how his secret police would be used; they trained them.

The Shah hadn't been in power yet so no one could have known what kind of ruler he would be. Even though the CIA trained his secret police no one could have known for sure how he would use them.

The Iranians have their own government know, a government they put in power. What the CIA did was done at the request of an ally and was done over 60 years ago. Some of you people act like us Americans on this board are directly resposnible.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Yeah?  Tell it to the Serbs, Nuke.

curly

Iirc all military action against the Serbs was done by NATO and not the UN. Heck a Dutch unit that was in Serbia under the UN flag refused to stop a massacre that happened right in front of them.