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Offline TweetyBird

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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2004, 12:20:35 AM »
>>His past actions and statements as a soldier and Senator are in direct contradiction to the sewage that passed his lips tonite.
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People know that already which accounts for his standing in the polls thust far - not so hot. Bush revealed nothing new, and some could argue he made some statements that could hurt him with the fence sitters - e.g., "won too fast" , "stay on the offensive"

Neither of those statements are going to bring in supporters who weren't already there. If people don't know Bush is a shoot from the hip kinda guy by now, well shame on them.  So there was no revelation that would bring people into his fold.

Kerry, on the other hand, was a man without an idea before tonight. It seems a lot of his campaign has been on the fact that he isn't Bush. But tonight he did lay out foreign policy and goals, and was the first to bring up unguarded nuclear material. He also conveyed a sense of urgency in North Korea, and Bush seemed to pass it off. Make no mistake - North Korea has threatened the US with the use of nuclear weapons - and it has them.

Kerry also expressed concern about Iran, and Bush (curiously) seemed diplomacy would be effective in Iran (worked for Carter right?).

Anyway, a lot of Kerry's position on foriegn policy wasn't widely known before tonight, so that was a revelation. Its my guess it will get him more votes than it costs him, and I think the polls will show he benifited more from the debate than Bush. We'll know real soon - about 12 hours.

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« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2004, 05:12:42 AM »
some of you actually think skerry looked good er "shined" last nite???

Bush used his skerries own quotes to beat down the bs skerry was spewing as his latest truth

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« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2004, 05:24:27 AM »
All poles ive seen has stated that Kerry won the debate Eagler.
I won't say what i think since it really is none of my business who becomes the next president, but i did see the debate.

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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2004, 06:13:41 AM »
I turned it off after about 5 minutes for fear of losing my cookies, But I wanted to post this to see if it will help determine a winner in your bet....

Philly.com: Kerry 87%, Bush 10%

MSNBC: Kerry 70%, Bush 30%

Houston Chronicle: Kerry 87%, Bush 11%

Wall Street Journal: Kerry 60%, Bush 33%

Florida Sun-Sentinel: Kerry 71%, Bush 16%

LA Times: Kerry:89% Kerry, Bush 8%

CNN: Kerry 79%, Bush 18%

Atlanta Journal Constitution: Kerry 62%, Bush 30%

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« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2004, 06:30:54 AM »
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Originally posted by Edbert
I turned it off after about 5 minutes for fear of losing my cookies, But I wanted to post this to see if it will help determine a winner in your bet....

Philly.com: Kerry 87%, Bush 10%

MSNBC: Kerry 70%, Bush 30%

Houston Chronicle: Kerry 87%, Bush 11%

Wall Street Journal: Kerry 60%, Bush 33%

Florida Sun-Sentinel: Kerry 71%, Bush 16%

LA Times: Kerry:89% Kerry, Bush 8%

CNN: Kerry 79%, Bush 18%

Atlanta Journal Constitution: Kerry 62%, Bush 30%


And all based on the fact Kerry articulated his answers better. I really don't think either one won. Thats just based on my opinion that the actual answers..not their speaking ability..didn't seem any better than the other's.
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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2004, 06:57:35 AM »
whoops, I posted this in the wrong thread.


I find it interesting that Kerry thinks we should be mulitlateralist in Iraq and the war on terror (and we are IMHO) and unilateralist in Korea. I read that Kerrys sister is in Austrailia teling them that they should not back Bush in Iraq because it makes them unsafe. So how "exactly" is he (kerry) going to get more countries involved if this is his position?

Kerry won the debate on style. Niether of them said anything we could point to and say hmmm thats news.

I kniw who I am voting for so the debate really was not a page turner for me.

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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2004, 07:09:19 AM »
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If we're going to score this though, I think  we should use a Poll. I'm not sure what polls will be made public tomorrow, but I imagine that Gallop will have a general "who won the debate poll" and that Bush will come out on top by about 10% Call it 45 Kerry, 55 Bush.

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Wow, I totally blew that call.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13237

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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2004, 07:22:06 AM »
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Wow, I totally blew that call.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13237

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Kerry
 
Bush
 
Advantage
 
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 %
 pct. pts.
 
Expressed himself more clearly
 skerry 60
 Bush 32
 +28
 
Had a good understanding of the issues
 skerry 41
 Bush 41
 0
 
Agreed with you more on the issues you care about
 skerry 46
 Bush 49
 -3
 
Was more believable
 skerry 45
 Bush 50
 -5
 
Was more likable
 skerry 41
 Bush 48
 -7
 
Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job
 skerry 37
 Bush 54
 -17
 
   
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 Advantage indicates Kerry lead
 
-
 Advantage indicates Bush lead
 

LOL
gotta like how they use a neg (-) to indicate a Bush lead

LOL LOL LOL
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« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2004, 08:43:37 AM »
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It may take all three rounds before some folks realize that Kerry took opposing positions. Still, Bush will take all three. They are doing three, right?


If thats correct, Bush is going down to a landslide.

MSNBC latest vote   63% Kerry       27%Bush..That is huge considering, like you said, Bush supporters really dont care if he can do grown- up words or not.  he is keeping america safe from another terror strike.  And trust me, he knows one is comming.  Hmmm, lets see, do we need a terror strike to justify disarming our citizens, or one that justifies disarming the world from Irans oil, errr, nukes.

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« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2004, 08:49:36 AM »
Damn you Kerry guys were desperate.  Reality check here - Kerry won a debate....  

Yet even those who say Kerry won the debate STILL feel Bush will be better in Iraq and other security matters. Which was the point of the debate...

So then  who really won?

You guys should be happy though because Kerry had to do this well just to save any chance for his campaign. But it doiesnt seem he made much of an inroad on the actual debate issues of Iraq, terrorism etc - which should worry you considering that he "won" the natioanal security debate..

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« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2004, 08:54:09 AM »
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Bush by a landslide.

Get used to it.


No way.  He will follow in the footsteps of his dad, as doormant voters come out of the woodwork to crush him.

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« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2004, 09:21:57 AM »
The Daily Show Report from the "Spin Zone" was hilarious....

(From the Bush Side) - "Bush, who some have described as somewhat retarded, did not break down and cry against a man republicans have called 'possibly the smartest man on Earth'. We call that a win!"

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« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2004, 09:44:00 AM »
>>Reality check here - Kerry won a debate....

Yet even those who say Kerry won the debate STILL feel Bush will be better in Iraq and other security matters. Which was the point of the debate...

So then who really won?
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ER, Kerry won the debate. Kerry picked up more votes from the debate than Bush did meaning he won - and close to 70% of the people polled think Kerry won, so in answer to your question "who really won?" - Kerry really won.

I guess the question is,  is winning the debate enough?
I don't think winning one debate is enough.  Should all the debates go like last night, I think the election would be very close.
Should Kerry screw up either of the next two, I doubt he has any real chance.

So Kerry leads 1-0.
Kerry needs to be at 3-0 to have a chance.

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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2004, 09:54:39 AM »
This is rather interesting. Bush supporters think that Bush won, Kerry supporters think Kerry won.

I didn't see that coming.

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2004, 10:09:45 AM »
sick... I don't think anyone believes Bush outdebated  kerrie.

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