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Offline Nash

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« on: October 01, 2004, 08:07:09 PM »
A day has passed since the debate, and here's how I see it.

Keep in mind, I'm only sharing this because I know how deeply you care about my opinion. Erhm........

Prior to the debate, the Bush campaign had been extremely successful in taking the focus off of the Bush record, and placing it squarely on Kerry's character. "Don't look at our record, because Kerry is a Flip Flopper." (Yes, that's a non sequitur but coming from the Bush team, we should all be used to it by now).

Anyways... Bush's lead was not built upon his policies nor some great confidence in him, but by the simple belief that Kerry just wasn't solid enough to become President.

Last night, the Bush campaign's magic trick was finally revealed for what it was. Forget the ads, forget the Swifters, forget the "flip flopping".... People finally got a chance to see Kerry outside of some concocted kaleidoscope lens.

I don't want to harp on  how truly bad Geedub was last night. Because I don't think that was ever in contention. People already knew he was a train wreck. The question was, who is the bigger train wreck?

This "lesser of two evils"...

I was thinking about this today... I must be the only person on this BBS that disagrees with that sentiment. Even the socialist communist librahls here seem to support Kerry only grudgingly. It's my belief that even they have succumbed to Rove's crass finesse.

There was an interesting story today....

You know how during the debates, they assemble all these so-called "undecideds" into a room to watch the debate, then hear their thoughts afterwards. Well there was this one guy who, instead of saying "I thought Kerry did well but I'm going to take a wait and see attitude...."..... No, the dude became furious.

He got angry with the reporter in the room after watching a performance by Kerry that simply defied everything he had come to know about Kerry through the media. He felt mislead. Kerry was not the guy that had been portrayed to him.

That's telling.

Because again, Bush's lead isn't due to any confidence in Bush or his policies; it's due to a lack of confidence in Kerry. Very shaky ground to base a campaign on - but of course the Bush team had no choice but to go that route. What were they going to do but attack Kerry - tout Bush's record? Fahgetaboudit.

So... What happens now when Kerry is seen as a viable alternative? Easily capable of being CiC? Presidential. More than viable?

The old house of cards began to crumble last night as people got to see Kerry first-hand.

What happened was.... almost an upheaval. A paradigm shift. The question of Kerry's fitness was answered soundly. What now? We're forced to go back and examine Bush's record. What a shift.....

The flip-flopper rhetoric? Gone. The Vietnam BS? Gone. All of it erased. It no longer holds water. It no longer stands up to any measure of reality or importance. It's certainly not the boogeyman people were led to believe it was.

I could hear it in the spinner's voices today. It was the sound of resignation.... almost (but not quite) of defeat. And we're talking about people whose job it was to go out there and paint a rosy picture.

I could see it in Fox News' completely fabricated article today on how Kerry bragged about his finger nails... then suddenly retracted - replaced by an apology.

I watched it as the Kerry side became so totally energized after very nearly waving the white flag.

I read it in the Bush team's innability to come up with some marginalizing box within which to place what transpired last night.

IMHO.... The jig is up. Finally.

Maybe, just maybe people will wake up out of a long sleep... and stop saying "lesser of two evils". Maybe people will wipe the Rove induced crud out of their eyes and finally see Kerry in his own right, and not for how he's been portrayed. Maybe now, Kerry won't be seen as a weak candidate, a mistake who was in way over his head.

The guy always was, and will continue to be, a blessing to the United States.

And Creamo, if you're wondering? Yes, this is perhaps my gayest post evar! :D

Gentlemen? Keep it civil.....
« Last Edit: October 02, 2004, 02:12:06 AM by Nash »
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Offline john9001

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2004, 08:19:34 PM »
part time senator John Heinz-Kerry is a poser.
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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2004, 08:33:03 PM »
It really bothers Nash that Bush kicked Kerry's butt.

Reminds me of that old Pottery Barn saying, you know the one, "You break it, you fix it".  

Or maybe it reminds Kerry of his time back at "Treblinka Square".

Or was that Cambodia?  Doesn't matter, he wasn't at either place.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2004, 08:55:17 PM »
Nice post Nash. :aok

After I read it, a scene from the Blues Brothers movie came to mind for some reason. The scene of the church service,singing, dancing ect. with Belushi,Akroyd, James Brown. :D

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2004, 08:59:44 PM »
Who gives a shxt what some tree chopping canuck thinks about our presidential candidates?  ehhh?

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2004, 09:00:01 PM »
It's hard work... it's such hard work...

yawn...



Peter Principle in action...
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2004, 09:06:15 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
It's hard work... it's such hard work..


Bush: "I see on the TV screens how hard it is."

dying on your TV screen is hard work.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2004, 09:27:46 PM by Nash »
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2004, 09:11:44 PM »
an interesting opinion and certainly with merit.  But the opinion does not represent my views, not by a long shot.  I must admit, kerry would make a great prime minister.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2004, 09:23:27 PM »
Nash I completly disagree with you....not that Kerry did well but that Bush did so poorly.

I don't think in my heart of hearts that it's all been a smokescreen, I'm not tha paranoid.  BUT, as a person that usually leans to the right I have to say I was disapointed in our presidents performance.

Kerry through the entire debate left himself wide open for several contradictions but Bush just sat there and recited talking points.

Bush could have hammered him on N. Korea and used that to ilistrate the point he was making that Kerry has no stance except that of wich way the political wind is blowing.  


To top it off Bush did not speak well at all.  I have heard this man speak SOOOOOO much better in the past but last night he was stuttering and stammering to find the words.  He was on the defensive the whole time.  

Kerry OTOH illistrated his points very clearly....even if they contradicted things he said previously in the debate.  He almost took a stance and showed some kind of conviction but even to a preson like me I disagree with his answers.

Just my opinion on the matter.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2004, 09:40:32 PM »
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Originally posted by Martlet
It really bothers Nash that Bush kicked Kerry's butt.

 


No Actually I do think that kerry won the debate.
I wouldnt call it a butt whipping but he won.

And I was initially impressed by Kerrys performance.
then I went over it. and over it and over it again.

I dont think much has changed.

 Kerry put forth alot of rhetoric but very liitle in the way of substance

And he still flip flopped.
Wrong war but right ot get rid of hussain.

Sending our troops into battle without the proper gear but yet voted against the the money to send them the gear

Bush didnt perform as well as kerry did but he managed to stay about even when had he appplied himself he could have easily blew kerry out of the water had he just pressed the atrocious voting record which right now I see as Kerrys soft underbelly.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2004, 10:00:24 PM »
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No Actually I do think that kerry won the debate.
I wouldnt call it a butt whipping but he won.

And I was initially impressed by Kerrys performance.
then I went over it. and over it and over it again.

I dont think much has changed.

 Kerry put forth alot of rhetoric but very liitle in the way of substance

And he still flip flopped.
Wrong war but right ot get rid of hussain.

Sending our troops into battle without the proper gear but yet voted against the the money to send them the gear

Bush didnt perform as well as kerry did but he managed to stay about even when had he appplied himself he could have easily blew kerry out of the water had he just pressed the atrocious voting record which right now I see as Kerrys soft underbelly.


I don't.  After listening to it again and reading the transcript it was obvious Bush owned him.
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2004, 10:18:24 PM »
No kidding... Nader looked completely outgunned. :aok
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2004, 10:30:09 PM »
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No kidding... Nader looked completely outgunned. :aok


The liberals won't let Nader debate.
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2004, 11:06:17 PM »
Best moment of the debate:

After Kerry talked about the soldiers not having the protective body armor they needed, Bush pointed out that Kerry voted against buying it for them.

Two blatantly obvious things came from that:

1) Kerry does not support the military like he tries to pretend

2) Kerry is a handsomehunk

Bush owned Kerry!

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2004, 11:09:30 PM »
Not quite as bad as Dubya stating that our victory in Iraq happened to fast and his insistance that Hussein had to be disarmed.
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