Deep Thoughts - 24 hours later

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
Kerry has an uphill battle. I think its been pointed out no wartime president has ever lost the election.

Plus in at least  the last 4 elections the man that won the first debate didnt win the election.

[NUKE]

You guys are kooky if you think anything changed much for Kerry after that debate.

If anything, he provided more "flip flop" material to be used against him.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by NUKE
You guys are kooky if you think anything changed much for Kerry after that debate.

Wishful thinking.  We'll know if anything changed when the first polls are released that were taken after the debates.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Wishful thinking.  We'll know if anything changed when the first polls are released that were taken after the debates.

here is my guess

1. tell me if you think John Kerry or George W. Bush would better handle the situation in Iraq: Bush 54% Kerry 43%

2. trust more to handle the responsibilities of commander in chief:
    Bush 55% Kerry 42%

3. who was more believable?  Bush 50% Kerry 45%

4. was more likeable:  Bush 48% Kerry 41%

5. Agreed with you more on the issues you care about:
   Bush 49% Kerry 46%

6. Had a good understanding of the issues:  Bush 41% Kerry 41%

7. Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job:                       Bush 54% Kerry 37%

Kerry wins on style though...which goes a long way when you can't take a stand on any issues.

So Kerry "won" the debate skill contest, but did nothing to change people's opinion of his ability to lead.

[Kieran]

I'd agree with anyone that says Bush looked like an idiot.

I'd disagree with anyone that said Kerry's flip-flops were put to rest, or that the attention will be turned completely over to Bush. Wrong.

The moderator specifically asked Kerry about his assertion "Bush lied about WMD". Kerry denied saying it. How long will it take to search the last month's headlines of the New York Times?

Kerry was packaged better, but it was still boloney. Bush should never be allowed to drive a car after dark (deer in the headlights syndrome). Both were losers in my book.

[IK0N]

Try decaf... youll spray when you talk less...

Cheers IKON

[Thrawn]

"The Race is On

With voters widely viewing Kerry as the debate’s winner, Bush’s lead in the NEWSWEEK poll has evaporated


WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek

Updated: 6:04 p.m. ET Oct. 2, 2004Oct. 2 - With a solid majority of voters concluding that John Kerry outperformed George W. Bush in the first presidential debate on Thursday, the president’s lead in the race for the White House has vanished, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. In the first national telephone poll using a fresh sample, NEWSWEEK found the race now statistically tied among all registered voters, 47 percent of whom say they would vote for Kerry and 45 percent for George W. Bush in a three-way race."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6159637/site/newsweek/

[Eagler]

LOL LOL LOL

did Bush ever have a lead in Newsweek?

real shame skerry had to rely on his four month war hero sandwich tour instead of his 20+ years in the Senate for his qualification to be POTUS and lead - LOL

"I know what combat is ... "

this guy makes me puke...

[Kieran]

Guys- Kerry won debate #1. Get over it. A minor victory true, but he did win. I watched it, did you guys?

If both sides would put aside the partisan glasses they'd see neither side has anything to crow about.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Kieran
If both sides would put aside the partisan glasses they'd see neither side has anything to crow about.

Ya think so? I think it's on account of wearing partisan glasses that anyone could suggest that this thing was a wash.

It was a blow-out.

Y'all may not have liked Kerry's performance, but that's because your mind is already made up.

18% of all voters fall into the undecided category. The race is close - within, say, 3%.

That leaves the potential of someone getting a 15% lead out of these undecideds. Guess who a bunch of them went to last Thursday? And there's another three of these debates to go.

My guess is that next Friday's goes worse for Bush - if that's even possible. He's going to again bring about 20 minutes worth of material to a 90 minute debate. I think the only thing Bush knows how to say regarding the economy is "tax cut - good." On second thought, he's going to run out of things to say in 10 minutes - tops.

Bush is in deep, deep trouble here.....

[NUKE]

Nash, I watched and saw no blowout.

1. Expressed himself more clearly: Kerry 60% Bush 32%
2. Had a good understanding of the issues Kerry 41% Bush 41%
3. Agreed with you more on the issues you care about : Bush 49% Kerry 46%
4. Was more believable: Bush 50% Kerry 45%
5. Was more likable: Bush 48% Kerry 41%
6. Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job: Bush 54% Kerry 37%

The Gallup poll of registered voters saw what I said I saw right after the debate. They saw Kerry as the better speaker with a better manicure, nothing else.

Isn't that strange that Kerry won the debate, but the registered voters watching still didn't change their opinions on who would be the better leader?

The American people are not going to elect the best debater, we are going to elect the person we trust will do the better job.

It's funny watching all the elation over Kerry's "victory". Kerry did the best he possibly could have imagined and Bush did worse than he has ever done, yet people still feel the same about Kerry afterwards. Not a good sign for Kerry.

[Nash]

There's been some heavy scrutiny of Gallup lately... I personally think their stuff is junk.

You've got the same problem as folks are criticizing Rpm and Thrawn about... Basing your conclusion on a single poll.

I think it's fine to use it to give an early indication, maybe... but don't put all yer eggs into that basket.

[Nash]

Btw, Nuke....

Originally posted by NUKE
They saw Kerry as the better speaker with a better manicure, nothing else.

I take it you you saw the phoney story Fox News ran before they yanked it and apologized? Nice try, Fox....

What a bunch of tools those guys are....

[NUKE]

I don't view the polls as much either, but this one backed up what I said in the "it's on like chicken" thread right after the debate. I said almost exactly the same thing.

I saw what I saw and I always make up my own mind about my opinions.

My honest opinion was that Kerry came off as the best speaker, but didn't say anything. He sat up there and spewed lies and mistruths all night.

He came off as a stone cold liar to me, because I know what the man has said and done on his actual record are totally opposite of what he was saying.

Bush came off as tired and irritated, but he has never waivered in what he beleives is the best coarse of action in Iraq. Kerry has taken 50 different positions and EVERYONE knows it.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
Btw, Nuke....

 

I take it you you saw the phoney story Fox News ran before they yanked it and apologized? Nice try, Fox....

What a bunch of tools those guys are....

I did not see the story. You mean he didn't get a manicure?