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Offline Mini D

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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2004, 11:13:34 PM »
One thing is painfully clear:

The "debate" did nothing to sway people.  Absolutely nothing.  Those that need swaying most likely did not watch it.  Those that did, knew who "won" before it even started.

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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2004, 11:15:34 PM »
I'm not saying polls are bad or innacurate.

Just some are. And I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what I consider to be the best, if that was the only one I saw.

You say that Kerry basically lied up there. I saw a list that breaks down everything Bush said on Thursday,  and there was so many innacuracies, so many attempts to mislead, it's silly. Either that, or he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Wanna compare notes?

You say Bush came off as tired. It looked to me like he took it as a personal affront that he even had to endure questions about his performance as CiC. Rolling your eyes is the new 'Sighs'!

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2004, 11:16:34 PM »
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Originally posted by Mini D
One thing is painfully clear:

The "debate" did nothing to sway people.  Absolutely nothing.  Those that need swaying most likely did not watch it.  Those that did, knew who "won" before it even started.


So clear that it is painful?

That clear?

Really?.....

It's wild to me to think that you could draw such a conclusion, based on..... er.... what again?

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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2004, 11:21:18 PM »
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I'm not saying polls are bad or innacurate.

You say that Kerry basically lied up there. I saw a list that breaks down everything Bush said on Thursday,  and there was so many innacuracies, so many attempts to mislead, it's silly. Either that, or he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Wanna compare notes?

 


You saw a list? I saw "live" most of Kerry's lies, from knowing what he said and done in the past.

Bush innacuracies? List them. I'd take innacuracies over flat out lies any day.

Yeah, let's compair notes.

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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2004, 11:30:35 PM »
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You say Bush came off as tired. It looked to me like he took it as a personal affront that he even had to endure questions about his performance as CiC. Rolling your eyes is the new 'Sighs'!


Kerry didn't have to answer ONE question regarding his 20 year performance as a Senator, or his voting record on Iraq and funding troops. Kerry's record was ignored.

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« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2004, 11:33:21 PM »
"100,000 Iraqi security forces trained".
The Pentagon says that only about 53,000 have undergone training.

"Three-quarters of al Qaeda leadership has been captured."
Al-Qaida refills its ranks and leadership continually.

"10 million people have registered to vote in Afghanistan." There aren't even 10 million eligible voters in the country.

"Kerry's proposal to have direct talks with North Korea would end the six-nation diplomacy."
 Each of the other four countries has held direct talks with North Korea during the six-party process – and China has repeatedly asked the Bush administration to talk directly with North Korea.

"The A.Q. Khan network has been brought to justice."
Khan was pardoned by President Pervez Musharraf. In fact, not a single person involved in his network has been prosecuted anywhere.

"I've increased spending by "about 35 percent" on nonproliferation efforts since I've taken office."
He proposed a 13 percent cut – about $116 million – and much of the increases since then have been added by Congress.

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« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2004, 11:38:58 PM »
Nash, I thought you were gonna list *your* notes. Now I need to spend time trying to verify those.

Are you telling me that you noticed these during the debate?

Even though you looked them up on some sight, is that the best you have?

Man, this won't be pretty.

I'll start by listing *MY* response to your post, not looking up weather or not they are true.

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« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2004, 11:40:36 PM »
I said "I saw a list."

You said "You saw a list?"

Now yer wondering why this list isn't my own notes?

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« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2004, 11:45:11 PM »
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I said "I saw a list."

You said "You saw a list?"

Now yer wondering why this list isn't my own notes?

It's good, I'll play.

Just pointing out that, as you watched the debate, you probably didn't notice these. Was curious what YOU saw during the debate, other than Kerry being a good speaker.

Goes a long way in undertanding your view that it was a blowout for Kerry. If you don't know the issues and can't ID the lies and innacuracies on your own, what did you base your views on?

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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2004, 11:47:18 PM »
Except for the The A.Q. Khan thing, and having only a general feeling that the proliferation statement had to be garbage, the rest were easy to spot.

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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2004, 12:00:18 AM »
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Originally posted by Nash
"100,000 Iraqi security forces trained".
The Pentagon says that only about 53,000 have undergone training.

"Three-quarters of al Qaeda leadership has been captured."
Al-Qaida refills its ranks and leadership continually.

"10 million people have registered to vote in Afghanistan." There aren't even 10 million eligible voters in the country.

"Kerry's proposal to have direct talks with North Korea would end the six-nation diplomacy."
 Each of the other four countries has held direct talks with North Korea during the six-party process – and China has repeatedly asked the Bush administration to talk directly with North Korea.

"The A.Q. Khan network has been brought to justice."
Khan was pardoned by President Pervez Musharraf. In fact, not a single person involved in his network has been prosecuted anywhere.

"I've increased spending by "about 35 percent" on nonproliferation efforts since I've taken office."
He proposed a 13 percent cut – about $116 million – and much of the increases since then have been added by Congress.


1. 100k troops trained:  doesn't matter to me *if* Bush was wrong on numbers. 53k? Who defines trained? I trust that we are training the Iraqis the best we can. Electing Kerry won't change this.

2. Al Qaeda leadership: no watermelon they replace leaders. At least Bush took down a lot of the ones responsible for 911.  

3.10 mill registered in Afghanistan: I don't know, do you?. I know that Afghanistan is rid of the Taliban and they will have free elections. Number of voters not a concern to the American voter

4. NK talks: NK DEMANDED to ONLY talk with the US as a condition of talks. Bush said screw off, it's not a US/NK issue, not gonna be dropped on our laps as such. It's an issue that must involve the countries of the region. I agree 100%

5. Nuclear nonproliferation: Bush has to apporove of congresses increase in order for it to take affect, so Bush in fact did increase spending.
 
6. The A.Q. Khan network: no idea about that.


Now get ready to anwer mine.

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« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2004, 12:03:46 AM »
^ huh?

I bet your (what's going on here?) real (?) list is about as based on "fact" as what you just posted.

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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2004, 12:05:50 AM »
Please re-frame that Nash, didn't understand what you meant.

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« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2004, 12:06:46 AM »
Nevermind... go ahead, bring on the real list that points out Kerry's "lies."

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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2004, 12:08:06 AM »
okay, but give me a little time. I'm going to read a transcript of the speach and then point them out, all on my own...no links.