So I finally saw the Micheal moore movie..

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Dago
Sounds contradictory to me. Make up your mind, are you a gullible fool or aren't you?

dago

More ridicules and name calling.

IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU!  Please Dago, answer the question.

[Martlet]

I didnt know that moore was with the carlysle group.

There's a lot of things you don't know.  You're sheeple.  You get your information from one source, swallow it whole, then run to the BBS with it.  

And, other than his movie how did he benifit from 911?

So, to benefit through exploitation is ok with you?  That's the only way i've seen anyone benefit so far.  If you have information showing otherwise, I'd love to see it.

Are you saying that the bushs and bin ladens are or were business partners of some kind in the carlysle group and can you document this?

No, isn't that what you said?

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by sling322
Heh....searching for "hard facts" and got suckered in by Michael Moores' propaganda film.

Free speach happens from the public to the public, even if it is false. and if these allegations are false, then they are severley slanderous.  (why isnt bush defending himself legally?)
  Propaganda is what happens when the government gives false information distorted or filtered information to the public.
  Ex. The 911 commsion report has 28 pages omitted reguarding the relationship between The bushs and Saudi arabia.  Even tho there is no outright lies being presented by the 911 commision, the full content has been sensored by, somebody, in the govt.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I didnt say I took him seriosly.  You did.  I simply asked a question, and as usual, nobody has the nads to answer it.  Get your kid to read this for you.

IF the bushs and the bin ladens are (or were) in business together before, during, or after 911, IS THIS TOO CLOSE FOR YOUR COMFORT?  yes or no.
I cant make it any simpler.  IF the bushs and bin ladens are or were in business together, IT is too close for my comfort.  I dont like it.  DO YOU? yes or no.

Lets look at it this way just for a second.....mkay.


Even if Bush sr. had a working relationship with A bin laden and not actually Osama....is this a bad thing?


1.  NO....let me tell you why.  Osama is astranged from his family...most of his family dosn't share his extremest views.

2.  In Saudi Arabia you cannot throw a rock without hitting a Bin Laden.....OBL has IRRC 60 Brothers!

3.  The bin ladens are like the second richest family in one of the richest oil countries in the world.  Bush Sr. being an oil man might have contact or a relationship with a bin laden.

How you and Moore claim that Bush and the carlyle group stand to make money off of 9/11 I don't know.  

If you are talking about the susbequent wars that followed.....well show me a war that somone didn't make a profit off of.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Martlet
There's a lot of things you don't know.  You're sheeple.  You get your information from one source, swallow it whole, then run to the BBS with it.  

 

Jeez Martlet, just give me the info.  OK im sheeple.  What relationship does moore have with the carlysle group?  And if you know about his relationship you must know about his allegations of the bush/bin laden connection to the carlysle group!  
Even tho there is nobody answering the key question here that I have asked over and over, you are on the verge of a breakthru from the name calling and riduling defense of the other wart-faced hunchbacks!  

Maybe you could answer the question.
IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU!   My answer is YES.   What is yours?

[JimBear]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Translated:

I'm going to stick my head in the sand with my thumb up my bellybutton and make fun of you, even if you DO have OUR countrie's best interest at heart..

Forgive me for making a jest when someone  posts about an epiphany arrived at while watching a propaganda movie.

But to be direct, **** off DdV

[Martlet]

No

[Nash]

Originally posted by Dago
You must have the IQ of a freaking cabbage if you believe any of that crap.  People say "paranoia will annoy ya"...

[lazs2]

thank you for trying to save me but I believe that you cut in front of the nice mormon guys... go back to the back of the line.

lazs

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Lets look at it this way just for a second.....mkay.


Even if Bush sr. had a working relationship with A bin laden and not actually Osama....is this a bad thing?


1.  NO....let me tell you why.  Osama is astranged from his family...most of his family dosn't share his extremest views.

2.  In Saudi Arabia you cannot throw a rock without hitting a Bin Laden.....OBL has IRRC 60 Brothers!

3.  The bin ladens are like the second richest family in one of the richest oil countries in the world.  Bush Sr. being an oil man might have contact or a relationship with a bin laden.

How you and Moore claim that Bush and the carlyle group stand to make money off of 9/11 I don't know.  

If you are talking about the susbequent wars that followed.....well show me a war that somone didn't make a profit off of.

Thank you for your answer.  

1 no            1 yes.

I will get back to you on your question of Carlysles profiting from the war  anamolously compared to companies who didnt have the connections to cause it.  ( I have to gather my sources lest I be severly scrutinized)

[WhiteHawk]

2 no's                 1 yes

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk

IF the Bushs and Bin Ladens are or were in business before, during, or after 911, IS THAT TOO CLOSE OF A RELATIONSHIP FOR YOU!   My answer is YES.   What is yours?

Sure you would be correct if the bush's had some sort of direct contact with Al Queda......that would be too close BUT NOT CRIMINAL.

Since no one from the Bush family or the carlyle group had contact with Osama Bin Laden......i say no....not to close.

Considering...

OBL WAS THE BLACK SHEEP OF THE FAMILY AND HAD 60 FREAKING BROTHERS IN THE SECOND RICHEST OIL FAMILY IN A RICH OIL COUNTRY

That's like the equivilint to My cousins half sister's boyfriends cousin knows this guy who is going out with this girl who's brothers best friend saw farris pass out at 31 flavors last night.

The argument you are making has been struck down time and time again.  Give it up....look at the facts.

[WhiteHawk]

Carlyle owns United defense.  
United Defense provides Combat Vehicle Systems, Fire Support, Combat Support Vehicle Systems, Weapons Delivery Systems, Amphibious Assault Vehicles, and Combat Support Services. UDLP's current programs include:

Bradley Family of Vehicles
M113 Family of Vehicles
M88A2 Recovery Vehicle
Grizzly
M9 ACE
Composite Armored Vehicle
M6 Linebacker
M7 BFIST
Armored Gun System
M4 Command and Control Vehicle
Battle Command Vehicle
Paladin
Future Scout and Cavalry System
Crusader
Combat Systems Integration
Integrated Defense Systems
Electric Drive Vehicles
FBCB2
Electric Gun Technology/Pulse Power
Advanced Simulations and Training Systems
Fleet Management


Now dont start up with the flag waving, I am not saying it is wrong to be the 7th largest military company in the US.  But since thousands of people are dying (both US troops and Innocent Iraqi children).  It gets a little too close for comfort.   Hopefully, there wont be a connection between the carlysle group and those oil interests in afghanistan and Iraq.  Then it gets to smelling really fishy.  Oh, i forgot about Cheney and Haliburton.
Hmmm,

[WhiteHawk]

The source is CNN money.

December 13, 2001: 6:52 p.m. ET


Military contractor sells 21.1M shares at $19 via Lehman, Goldman.
           
Prudential's $3B IPO leads slew of new issues - Dec. 8, 2001
 
 
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - United Defense Industries Inc. raised $400.9 million Friday ahead of its initial public offering.

The Arlington, Va.-based company sold 21.1 million shares at $19, the mid-point of its $18 to $20 price range, via lead underwriters Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs.

United Defense company makes and designs combat vehicles, naval guns and missile launchers. It also is a prime contractor on several U.S. military programs.

The company plans to trade under the New York Stock Exchange symbol "UDI."

American Pharmaceutical Partners Inc., which specializes in injectable pharmaceutical products, raised $144 million with its IPO.

The company priced 9 million shares at $16 per share, the top of its expected range, through lead underwriters CIBC World Markets.

American Pharmaceutical earned more than $6.6 million in 2000, with sales of more than $165 million. The stock will trade as "APPX" on the Nasdaq.

The final IPO netted $400 million for the carlyle group.

[Dago]

Gunslinger beat me too it.

There are something like 35 Bin Laden brothers.  They come from a wealthy family and have business ties all over the world.   That a person of wealth and means in this country might share ownership (meaning stock) in a common business doesn't surprise me at all.  Actually, it would surprise me if they didnt.

Osama is as Gunslinger pointed out, estranged from his family.

I met Salem Bin Laden while I lived in Saudi Arabia, he was then on the Board of Directors of 35 companies.  He was just one of the brothers.  Imagine how many companies the whole family is tied to.

So, while the Bush familiy might have business ties with rich Saudis, as most wealthy people in the world would, do I think there was some conspiracy or colusion to bring down the world trade center or start a war?  Hell no, of course not, I am neither that gullible or conspiracy minded.  

IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER WHITETARD?

Now, go back to your National Enquirer for some more serious research.

dago