So I finally saw the Micheal moore movie..

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by lazs2
whitehawk... as you get older you will learn that the far left (or right) corners of the internet and whack jobs like michell moore (his movie was based on a left wing nutjobs book) well...

they are lieing to you.   they are trying to get attention and they are sick people...  when you realize this some day you will get angry ...  at being betrayed and at letting yourself be betrayed....after a few years of being angry at these poor sick puppies and yourself  you will learn to ignore them.

you can short circut a lot of the pain by simply doing a search for his movie and looking at the sites that prove him to be wrong and or miossleading in allmost every case.   His earlier movies were the same sensationalistic and missleading entertainment.

thing is... if you own any stock... moore could have made a moivie where you were friends with bin laudin and had a lot to gain by the destruction of the WTC.

lazs

Lazs...Either moore is lying or Bush is lying.  Before I go to vote, I want to know the truth.  That is all.  That is what our country is all about.  That is all I seek.  Maybe I am an idiot, maybe i am gullible, but at least I am trying to find the truth.

I am required to specifically and ecxpertly quote and name my sources.  I eagerly await yours proving micheal moore wrong.  I am only interested in the Bin Laden/Bush connection within the carlyle group as it provides motive for the 'justification' of these 2 wars that are raging now.  However, if you can source some of these links that make him a liar in general, I will also read them.

I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words.  Why isnt bush fighting back?  It is against the law to defame ones character.  If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather?  Doesnt this strike you as odd?  

Bush failed to take his physical results in the  swarm of legal detectives to accurately bring us the truth of the matter.

Bush is owned by saudia arabia results in,  a 28 page omission from the 911 report.  Can u blame me for being suspicious?

[lazs2]

an arms manufacturer profited from a war?  How is that possible unless he engineered the colapse of the WTC and made it look like, of all things, airliners with terrorists on board crashed into em?

lazs

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Dago
Gunslinger beat me too it.

There are something like 35 Bin Laden brothers.  They come from a wealthy family and have business ties all over the world.   That a person of wealth and means in this country might share ownership (meaning stock) in a common business doesn't surprise me at all.  Actually, it would surprise me if they didnt.

Osama is as Gunslinger pointed out, estranged from his family.

I met Salem Bin Laden while I lived in Saudi Arabia, he was then on the Board of Directors of 35 companies.  He was just one of the brothers.  Imagine how many companies the whole family is tied to.

So, while the Bush familiy might have business ties with rich Saudis, as most wealthy people in the world would, do I think there was some conspiracy or colusion to bring down the world trade center or start a war?  Hell no, of course not, I am neither that gullible or conspiracy minded.  

IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER WHITETARD?

Now, go back to your National Enquirer for some more serious research.

dago

Yes  thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35.  And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia.  They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.

3 no's                  1 yes

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yes  thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35.  And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia.  They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.

3 no's                  1 yes

If you have to lie to prove your point, you are really proving mine.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
 Maybe I am an idiot, maybe i am gullible, but at least I am trying to find the truth.

 

Maybe?


You aren't trying to find the truth.  You're trying to find confirmation of what you want to believe.

Big difference.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Carlyle owns United defense.  
United Defense provides Combat Vehicle Systems, Fire Support, Combat Support Vehicle Systems, Weapons Delivery Systems, Amphibious Assault Vehicles, and Combat Support Services. UDLP's current programs include:

Bradley Family of Vehicles
M113 Family of Vehicles
M88A2 Recovery Vehicle
Grizzly
M9 ACE
Composite Armored Vehicle
M6 Linebacker
M7 BFIST
Armored Gun System
M4 Command and Control Vehicle
Battle Command Vehicle
Paladin
Future Scout and Cavalry System
Crusader
Combat Systems Integration
Integrated Defense Systems
Electric Drive Vehicles
FBCB2
Electric Gun Technology/Pulse Power
Advanced Simulations and Training Systems
Fleet Management


Now dont start up with the flag waving, I am not saying it is wrong to be the 7th largest military company in the US.  But since thousands of people are dying (both US troops and Innocent Iraqi children).  It gets a little too close for comfort.   Hopefully, there wont be a connection between the carlysle group and those oil interests in afghanistan and Iraq.  Then it gets to smelling really fishy.  Oh, i forgot about Cheney and Haliburton.
Hmmm,

OK so with this post you are sudjesting that the Bush's knew or even were involved w/ 9/11 soley because they stand to make a few more million $ (they are allready a fairly wealthy family) by the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?

Cmon man you are reaching here.

And then your next post is closer.......The article sudjests that pharmaceutical company made WAY MORE money than an Arms manufacturer during a freakin WAR.  This serves more to disprove your point.  If you want to find a conspiracy of corruption investigate pharmaceutical.....you'll find alot more there.


as far as who is lying....moore or bush.....I say neither....Moore never made any definate conclusions about this subject in his movie he left that up to gulible viewers so therefore he can't be caught in a lie.  Google for "debunking F911"  and you will find most of his conclusions in F911 torn apart by a 13YO girl.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yes  thank you . But gunslinger said 60 brothers not 35.  And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia.  They will not allow US trash anywhere near them.

3 no's                  1 yes

I said IIRC 60.....that means If I remember Correctly.  The fact still remains that it is an INCREDIBLY LARGE family by ANY STANDARDS.  Stick to the content.

PS I was PRetty FREAKIN CLOSE

Born 1957 for Syrian mother, Osama bin Laden was the seventh son among fifty brothers and sisters

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/bio.html

[lazs2]

whitehawk... think about what you are saying for a minute...

"I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words. Why isnt bush fighting back? It is against the law to defame ones character. If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather? Doesnt this strike you as odd? "

think about it.... NO ONE IS TAKING THE ACCUSATIONS SERIOUSLY  Get it?   If they were true don't you think the liberal media would be making them front page news every day?

Why is only moore making them?

Should Bush bring himself down to answer a whack job like moore?   He would address the questions from a legitimate source if any legitimate source would even bother to ask...

Like asking why Bush won't go on the daily show to answer jon stewarts allegations... or conan obrian show..

u are talking about the President having a serious debate with an entertainer.

you really don't see this?

lazs

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[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by lazs2
whitehawk... think about what you are saying for a minute...

"I can certainly understand the bushs not wanting to legitimize his accusations by dignifying them with a response, but c'mon, these are fighting words. Why isnt bush fighting back? It is against the law to defame ones character. If What moore is saying is false, why isnt the Bush legal team all over him like they were all over dan rather? Doesnt this strike you as odd? "

think about it.... NO ONE IS TAKING THE ACCUSATIONS SERIOUSLY  Get it?   If they were true don't you think the liberal media would be making them front page news every day?

Why is only moore making them?

Should Bush bring himself down to answer a whack job like moore?   He would address the questions from a legitimate source if any legitimate source would even bother to ask...

Like asking why Bush won't go on the daily show to answer jon stewarts allegations... or conan obrian show..

u are talking about the President having a serious debate with an entertainer.

you really don't see this?

lazs

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Lets not forget that these 'legitmate' news sources were duped right into the whole WMDs in Iraqi. There are no mainstream 'legitimate' news sources anymore it seems..

and lazs, you may see them as 'entertainers' but they are american's with issues none the less.

Its pretty simple why Bush wont do an interview with Jon Stewart.. lol  He would be incapable of answering the 'real' questions posed him..  Simple as that.. Dress it anyway you want though..

[Martlet]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Lets not forget that these 'legitmate' news sources were duped right into the whole WMDs in Iraqi. There are no mainstream 'legitimate' news sources anymore it seems..

and lazs, you may see them as 'entertainers' but they are american's with issues none the less.

Its pretty simple why Bush wont do an interview with Jon Stewart.. lol  He would be incapable of answering the 'real' questions posed him..  Simple as that.. Dress it anyway you want though..

Comedy

Central

[lazs2]

dude... slow down and get a grasp of reality here...

neither candidate would lower themselves to do an "interview" with a hostile comedian... I doubt you would.  

Point is... entertainers like moore and stewart are not meant to be taken seriously.... the fact that you do is scarry....  

moore is an entertainer who fooled the liberal media and a lot of moviegoers for a brief moment.... he is trying for a comeback with the DVD release and getting those who haven't seen the movie or heard much about it.  

moores vision of America is not mine.   I do not want a liberal lieing America where the "elite" go around telling other countries that the smartest American is dumber than the the dumbest european... that is what moore does in lectures.... that is who he designed his movie to fool.

Like all liberals...I think he badly underestimated the intelegence of the average American.

lazs

[GRUNHERZ]

Oh god not another one of these threads.

Yes Whitehawk the US government and GW Bush planned the murder of thousands of innocent americans in NYC, hundreds in thev pentagon, made sure everyone thought the pentagon was hit by a plane and not a missle,  the Bushes also called every jew in the WTC and told them not come into work, of course the jew larry silverstein also put explosives in to wtc 7  the day before 911 so he could blow it up just in case the next day aiurliners crashed into WTC 1 and 2..  Also pf course thios plot was orchestrated by arab hating jews to discredit islam but you know theyv were working with OBL and his band of jew hating arabs to destroy america and free palestine - devious aint it?  What elese??  Oh yea the election in 2000 was stolen just to makje this plot possible..  Space aliens were invlved in making flight 77 dissapear. Osama Bin laden is hiding out in norad..

Oh yea and Whitehawk is a lunatic...

Ans espically for you whitehawk:

"There are too many people who imagine that there is something sophisticated about always believing the best of those who hate your country, and the worst of those who defend it."

Thats from Margaret Thatcher..

Really man **** you....

 And I hope the black helicopters comne for you tonight....

[Dago]

And you did not meet salm bin laden in saudi arabia.  

If you have to lie to prove your point, you are really proving mine.

Now you have proven yourself to be an bellybutton as well as an idiot.  Yes I met him, once, and I was friends with the Chief Mechanic of his flight department.

dago

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
OMGILUVMIKALMOORE!!!

The burden of proof lies with the accuser.  Its funny on so many levels to have someone actually demand "proof" in the form of counter claims to show that Moore is wrong...

Prove that youre not gay.  Cause I saw a film that said you were.  PROOVE IT!!!!!1111

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by lazs2
dude... slow down and get a grasp of reality here...

neither candidate would lower themselves to do an "interview" with a hostile comedian... I doubt you would.  

Point is... entertainers like moore and stewart are not meant to be taken seriously.... the fact that you do is scarry....  

moore is an entertainer who fooled the liberal media and a lot of moviegoers for a brief moment.... he is trying for a comeback with the DVD release and getting those who haven't seen the movie or heard much about it.  

moores vision of America is not mine.   I do not want a liberal lieing America where the "elite" go around telling other countries that the smartest American is dumber than the the dumbest european... that is what moore does in lectures.... that is who he designed his movie to fool.

Like all liberals...I think he badly underestimated the intelegence of the average American.

lazs

umm lazs.. Stewart has interviewed people such as Archbishop TuTu, Bob Dole, Zell Miller, John kerrie, Bill Clinton, too many starch republicans to mention actually but I will try to find a list.. It is quite extensive..

The world is a larger place lazs. Come out of yours on occasion.. 8)

Richard Clarke
Howard Dean
John McCain
Joe Biden
Wesley Clark
Heidi Klum  hahaha
Tom Daschle
Joseph Wilson
The head of the Repub. national conven.
Pat Buchanan
Victoria Clarke
John Edwards

Not a very comprehensive list. Not all of the biggest names.. Just what I could find. For certain there are many more Republicans interviewed by Stewart I have not found yet.. I remember the interviews, just not the names..