Author Topic: Norwegians Place Anti-Bush Ad in Washington Post (Read 1877 times)

Toad · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:12:56 PM »

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The United States believes strongly in what you call soft power, the value of democracy, the value of the free economic system, the value of making sure that each citizen is free and free to pursue their own God-given ambitions and to use the talents that they were given by God. And that is what we say to the rest of the world. That is why we participated in establishing a community of democracy within the Western Hemisphere. It's why we participate in all of these great international organizations.

There is nothing in American experience or in American political life or in our culture that suggests we want to use hard power. But what we have found over the decades is that unless you do have hard power — and here I think you're referring to military power — then sometimes you are faced with situations that you can't deal with.

I mean, it was not soft power that freed Europe. It was hard power. And what followed immediately after hard power? Did the United States ask for dominion over a single nation in Europe? No. Soft power came in the Marshall Plan. Soft power came with American GIs who put their weapons down once the war was over and helped all those nations rebuild. We did the same thing in Japan.

So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don't think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world.

We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.

Nash · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:22:16 PM »

Is that the guy that presented all those WMD falsehoods to the UN during basically the same speech?

Is that the guy who thinks that his coleagues are just shy of dementia?

Is that the guy who will be beating a hasty retreat from his job should Bush actually win?

He's a good man, I think. And he was doing his job.

Your quote I think is entirely accurate. But it was in service of something else. And should be looked at as such. At least it colors my reading of it, these two years later.

Torque · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:25:47 PM »

So Toad, what went wrong in Iran in '53?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:31:36 PM »

Yup, Colin Powell is a great man. I wish to all that is righteous he'd run for president. Even if he won't, I'm still voting for him.
-SW

Sandman · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:35:37 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Yup, Colin Powell is a great man. I wish to all that is righteous he'd run for president. Even if he won't, I'm still voting for him.
-SW

Never happen... you can pretty much bet on some open minded, America loving, conservative neanderthal putting an end to his life.

john9001 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:41:57 PM »

nash ...your negitive anti-american attitude is really starting to annoy me, i think you better just shut up before i say something scuzzy won't like.

NUKE · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:42:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Never happen... you can pretty much bet on some open minded, America loving, conservative neanderthal putting an end to his life.

Why? Conservative?

Seems like the only people that have assinated Presidents have been crazy arse nutjobs with nothing in common with conservatives.

I can't think of a President who was assinated by someone who loved America

CptTrips · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:44:52 PM »

norway? Is that near france?

Nash · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:47:18 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
nash ...your negitive anti-american attitude is really starting to annoy me, i think you better just shut up before i say something scuzzy won't like.

I love America. Go ahead - say what you want... Scuzzy will leave you alone. As long as you don't swear or post donkey-porn, we're all prepared to weather the storm you're about to unleash.

So... What's on your mind?

NUKE · « **Reply #39 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:52:03 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The Soviet Union.

I would say Britain and the US.

Britain stood Germany down almost alone while Russia made a peace agreement with Germany . Great help there Russia!

The US was the biggest single factor in the defeat of Germany. Even Churchill said as much in his "Memoirs of the Second World War"

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:54:50 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Why? Conservative?

Seems like the only people that have assinated Presidents have been crazy arse nutjobs with nothing in common with conservatives.

Hmmm... call it a hunch.

NUKE · « **Reply #41 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:56:45 PM »

So are you saying that conservatives who love America are to be viewed as rasicst and KKK members?

Lizking · « **Reply #42 on:** October 12, 2004, 09:58:26 PM »

Traditionally, the Democratic party is the party of the Clan.

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** October 12, 2004, 10:11:43 PM »

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Traditionally, the Democratic party is the party of the Clan.

You're speaking of ancient history (early post-Civil War).

Is there such a thing as a liberal white supremist?

texace · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2004, 10:14:07 PM »

He is saying that since Powell is black, some racist moron will end his life to "clense" America of the black terror...