CHANNEL FIGHT SETUP Late 1943 (well fudged a little)

[Reschke]

As soon as I am able to figure out the problem with my tables I will have the correct down times per the MOTD in the arena. Till then you guys have to live with whats there. Sorry

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Channel Fight:

In order to bring something a little different into the arena I would like to introduce a few different matchups. This is purely a USAAF/RAF/LW matchup with the emphasis being on fighter vs fighter matchups. There will not be any transport aircraft or vehicles in this setup.

This is a prelude to invasion when the Allies started raiding the Luftwaffe airfields all over France. During this time the Allies did everything they could to disrupt supplies for the Luftwaffe and Wermacht stationed in France. The Luftwaffe fought back with everything they could but ultimately it only cost them men and material they could not replace.

CAN YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR GERMANY? CAN YOU CONTINUE THE ALLIED AIR SUPERIORITY? ONLY TIME WILL TELL; GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT!
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American/RAF based in England only
B-26
P-51B
All P-47's
P-38L
Typhoon
Mosquito
M-16 GV

German
Ju-88
Bf-110G2
Bf-109F
Bf-109G2
Bf-109G6
Fw-190A5
Fw-190A8
Ostwind

Settings:
Field capture: NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! MUWAHHAAAAAAAAA
Downtimes: AAA - 2 minutes, FH/BH/VH - 5 minutes
Fuel burn rate: 1.5
Dar: historical

[Shane]

looks good...  however, the p47d-40 probably doesn't belong, even the d-25 might be pushing it, but...

p-38 shouldn't really be there either, especially the late model P-38L, at this point 38's were still escorting the heavies into deeper germany. The jugs were arriving on the scene but had shorter legs at this point.

no spits? heh... if you add spit9, no big, altho' it'd crimp variety, for sure.

Here's how I'd modify your setup:

(disable formations)

American/RAF based in England only

A-20
B-26
P-51B
P-47D-11, 25
Typhoon
Mosquito
M-16 GV

German

Ju-88
Bf-110G2
Bf-109G2
Bf-109G6
Fw-190A5
Fw-190A8
Ostwind

[Wotan]

More like Fudged alot

The P-38L is a '44 aircraft, so is the D-40 and D-25, (the D-11 is for that matter) so is the AH Typhoon.

The A-8 shouldn't be there either.

The Spit 9 should be in. This is a perfect set up for it.

It's a real stretch to call it a '43 set up.

The 51B / G-6 fight should be fun though. Same with the A-5.

If you disable formations on the 26 you just encourage folks to fly them as a fighter. If you do that then why not just add the A-20.

But what do I know...

[Guppy35]

Probably shouldn't have the 51B as it was barely evident in December of 43.

Bags of Spit Vs and IXs along with the earliest model Jugs and Tiffies escorting Bostons & Mossies of 2 TAF and USAAF B26s to France to try and get the LW 109s and 109s into the air in the war of attrition

scan from a Spit pilot's logbook I have for September 43.  It looks the same starting in July and carrys through the same theme into February 44 with Mossies also being escorted along with all those Marauder escorts.

Dan/Slack

[Wotan]

Weren't those the 'razor back typhies'?

The P-51B is stretching it but that falls into the 'fudging a little' category for a 'late '43' set up.

The D-11 also fits into that as well. But the D-40, D-25, P-38L imho are beyond 'fudging it'.

I don't see why the spit 5/9 would be left out. I guess it doesn't matter with the Bostons. No one will choose it over the B-26. If they do away with formations then the A-20 would be as good as any.

The A-8 is streching it as well only becasue of the 3cm option. If held to 4 x MG151/20mm then if could be 'fudged' in for the A-6/A-7.

With the 2x 3cm its just too much gun for a '43 set up.

Still the G-6 vrs. P-51B was a lot of fun when I used to play AH. In FB the G-14 vrs P51B/C makes up for it.

[Guppy35]

In terms of performance, there wouldn't be much difference in the Tiffies.  The 43 Tiffies would have been the 'car door" types though.  I think they introduced the different canopy set up on the Tiffie with the advent of the Tempest which has something similar in 44.  

I suppose it makes a person wish for the RAF Mustang Is with their low alt Allisons

Dan/Slack

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Reschke
Till then you guys have to live with whats there.

As a counter to all the nitpickers, I think this will be a lot of fun.  Plenty of planes to choose from on either side, no one will be so uber that people will ignore all the others (so please no spit!).

-oldman

[Phaser11]

OK!
 Sounds like a mass P-47 raid on some rail heads!

“FINALY, The jug has come back to Cherbourg!”
(Said like the WWE wrestler “The Rock”)

Vulch this!:aok

[storch]

I almost hate to say this but I have to agree with Shane and Wotox.

If we are going to keep it hysterical er historical It should be the P47B If you wanted to stretch just a bit the P51B is OK.  The rest of the USAAF A/C represented shouldn't be there.

If you will include the Spit IX then you may as well exclude all others as the allied players will all be in Spit IX's the whole time.

The A8 is a bit much but not many players will fly it.

I predict a Bf-109F v P-51B week, add a little B-26 fighter trolling for flavor.

[Grits]

Originally posted by storch
The A8 is a bit much but not many players will fly it.

Oldman LOVES[/b] the A8!!

[storch]

Originally posted by Grits
Oldman LOVES the A8!! [/B]

As so Stat and I  That still constitutes not many players

[Grits]

I must admit that the 190A-5 is my favorite Luftwobble ride by a very wide margin, a distant second would be the 109F-4/G-2 (I cant tell them apart when flying them so I put them together) and third would be the 110G. Its not that I dont like the A-8, I do, but those other three planes do virtually everything better than the A-8.

Actually, my very favorite thing to do in the A-8 is blow through a low alt furball cherrypicking engaged spits with HO's and snapshots.

[DoKGonZo]

If you want to yank the P-51B then yank the 190A-8 as well. But I'd rather keep 'em.

Agree with adding the Spit V as long as the 109F stays. Though obviously the Spit V's presence will really skew plane selection.

P-38L and P-47D40 just don't belong.

Don't see much need for an A20 if you have the B26.

How can you have a Jabo setup without Lancasters?

[Eagler]

looks great

don't change a thing

[Furball]

Originally posted by Guppy35
In terms of performance, there wouldn't be much difference in the Tiffies.  The 43 Tiffies would have been the 'car door" types though.  I think they introduced the different canopy set up on the Tiffie with the advent of the Tempest which has something similar in 44.  

I suppose it makes a person wish for the RAF Mustang Is with their low alt Allisons

Dan/Slack

i thought the first bubble canopied p47's were taken from RAF typh canopies?