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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2004, 05:02:13 PM »
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Does every vote count when voting for the president in USA? (you sum them all up)

I thought so, but then i started hearing something about electoral votes. Does that mean that each candidate wins states and then the number of states you have won will dictate who wins, and different states are valued differently based on that "electoral vote thingie"?


The Electoral College was created by the framers of the U.S. Constitution as a compromise for the presidential election process. At the time, some politicians believed a purely popular election was too reckless, while others objected to giving Congress the power to select the president. The compromise was to set up an Electoral College system that allowed voters to vote for electors, who would then cast their votes for candidates, a system described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution.

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2004, 05:17:13 PM »
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Pittsbugh does not have any steelworkers anymore, the enviro-nazis closed all the steel mills and sent the jobs to japan.



John, it doesn't matter what you think if Pitszbarg because you don't know to spell it properly.

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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2004, 05:51:56 PM »
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Not anymore.  I was attached to the War College for a bit.  I'm still close, though.
Hanging out in the men's room is not officially considered attached.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2004, 07:56:13 PM »
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Not anymore.  I was attached to the War College for a bit.  I'm still close, though.


Cool, I was at the War College for a week during American Legion Boys State.

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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2004, 07:59:25 PM »
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Hanging out in the men's room is not officially considered attached.


Is that what they told you when you got caught?

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2004, 08:00:27 PM »
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Cool, I was at the War College for a week during American Legion Boys State.


When I was there, I had apts in Newport, Narragansett, W. Warwick, and Providence. at various times.

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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2004, 08:36:16 PM »
Nilsen,

The short answer to your question, is in fact, yes.  An induvidual's vote in the US presidential election in fact does not "count,"  all presidents are elected through the electoral college (a collection of people rather than an educational institution)--Generally around the middle of December.  Long answer to follow.

Each state is alloted electors based on how many members of congress they send to DC, e.g. California has 53 members in the House of Reps. and 2 Senators, thus 55 votes altogether.  The lowest number of votes a state can have is three, e.g. Wyoming with one memeber of the House and 2 Senators.

In 48 of the 50 states, the winner of the popular vote in the state will, in theory, recieve the votes of those number of electors--generally picked by the political party apparatus of te winner.  Two states, Nebraska and Maine, will "split" their electors based on who recieves the most votes in each congressional district--there has never been a split in either of these states.  Thus, in theory, your vote, on Nov. 2, is a vote for which party gets to pick the electors of that state. In Dec. the electors get together and cast their votes for the pres.  

In history there have only been two recorded instances of so called "rogue" electors who cast their vote counter to the popular vote of thier state--in 1976 one republican cast his vote for Reagan instead of Ford (as he was suppossed to do), and in 2000 one elector for the District of Columbia (why they get a say I have no idea) left her ballot blank to protest DC's lack of statehood, Gore was suppossed to recieve that vote.  Most states make it illegal for an elector to cast their vote for anyone other than the winner of the popular vote.

Why this strange system? Well I hate to dispel notions of "state soveriegnty" (a mythical concept born in Southern States to help assauge their massive egos--two words: Supremacy Clause), the electoral college in fact, according to its founder, Madison, was about distrust of the mobs.  One need look at the old method of choosing Senators, they were appointed not directly elected.  Madison thought, and the Constitutional Convention agreed, that the election of the president could not be trusted to the masses--thus an elite group have the real say-so.  In fact, all decisions in our federal government are made by an elite class of citizen, instead of a popular vote--efficient and generally not subject to wild swings of mood.  It aint perfect but seems to work.

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the "summing up" of the national popular vote is simply unecessary
« Last Edit: October 27, 2004, 08:38:36 PM by jEEZY »

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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2004, 09:08:51 PM »
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To answer your question directly Nils, no your vote does not count. It is solely decided by electoral votes. The percentage of votes cast for a presidential candidate has no relation to the number of electoral votes he recieves from that state's EC. It's all or nothing.


This depends on the state. most states are all or nothing, but some states do split the EC votes.

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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2004, 09:15:42 PM »
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to add to the confusion, each states electoral col. reps. USUALLY vote the way the state votes, (i.e. if Missouri votes majority bush, the electoral guys do too), BUT not always.  

In the past states have voted for one guy for prez, and their electoral reps. for the other.  (history buffs/google wiz's help me out here.)



the EC voters can vote however they choose to, but to do so will result in them paying a $500 fine and loss of the privilege to cast the EC vote in any future elections. in this state anyway.

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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2004, 09:17:50 PM »
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I only see the ocean when looking outside myself :)

 


you beach bum  :D

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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2004, 09:24:58 PM »
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Why is it called electoral college?




col-lege  

n.

2.  
      a. A body of persons having a common purpose or shared duties: a college of surgeons.
      b. An electoral college.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=college
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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2004, 10:09:59 PM »
So you've heard the other's responses about the electoral college, they are correct.

The subject actually is still being debated today.  A form of the EC was actually used by the Roman's a very long time ago.  The US started using it in the 1800's, why?  There are many beliefs of why the US started using it. Conveniency, to win elections, for fair elections, compromises, etc etc.  

The electoral college wasn't even written as a federal law until the 1840's.

In my opinion, there is no need today for the Electoral College.  I believe it should be based on the popular vote only.
Mak

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2004, 05:09:36 AM »
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you beach bum  :D


lol yeah.... for the moment tho im a rock bum, but we will put more sand there to make it a real beach :)

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col-lege  

n.

2.  
      a. A body of persons having a common purpose or shared duties: a college of surgeons.
      b. An electoral college.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=college


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