Why record voter turnouts?

[RTSigma]

Originally posted by WMLute


In Chicago if you speak to someone else in line, it's generally askin' for their wallet at gun/knife point.

 

Depends on where you are, those rabid Cubs fans will do anything to get their hands on money to buy better players for their cursed teams

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by AKIron
I think it's because of the Internets.

I think it's because of the fubared 2000 election.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Wotan
You can see by looking at Bush and Iraq that it will take them screwing up big time.

Amen.

The only thing that might.... might.... have an effect on the populace is video of Bush directing traffic in his pyjamas.

[john9001]

i voted for bush because he is a moderate, mainstream Democrat.

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Wotan

Kerry was a terrible candidate and Edwards didn't help him at all.

The Democratic Party is destroying itself by putting these facade candidates up who are full blown liberals in Moderate/Conservative Clothing....

...The Repubs are in a good position to hold what they have as long as they don’t screw up. You can see by looking at Bush and Iraq that it will take them screwing up big time.

What Dem would have been more electable? And don't say Zell Miller...he is a Dem in name only.  

Any Dem offered would have been just as vigorously opposed by the RNC.  They would have used any means and propoganda necessary to defeat him.  We certainly saw that an impressive number of Americans will believe anything a conservative media outlet says regardless whether it is true or not.

And quite honestly as you mentioned, the campaign offered by Karl Rove and Ralph Reed to deliver the Christian vote was not something that Dems could match.  Of God, Guns and Gays...God was #1.

I spoke with two people who voted Bush who I would not have thought supported him.  My 80 year old aunt, who was raised a southern Democrat and had voted Dem in every election since she could vote.  And the other a mid-twenties black single mom that is a college classmate of my brother (BTW, she is barely getting by as a waitress during the day).  

My aunt, a devout Christian, said she broke for Bush because he is a born again Christian.  It made no difference anything else that he may have done that she disagreed with.  

The young black mom went for Bush because the pastor of her nearly all black church told the congregation that Bush best represented the morals taught by the church.

As long as the RNC is able to convince Christian America that it is their party, it will not matter how much the RNC candidate screws up...most religious folk do not need facts to show "truth" when they have faith to give it to them.

[gunnss]

Originally posted by Eagler
after the 00 election, many saw that their vote does count

What He Said,
Also I moved to NM to a swing county in a swing state.......
Just tryn to get the most out of my vote....

Gunns

[Wotan]

No, Zell didn't have the temperament to be president or to get elected.

But The Democratic Party has pushed out what’s was left of the 'yellow dog' conservative Democrats. I don't know which Democrat could have made any gain in the South but I do know that a New England Liberal won't ever win.

The Democratic Party has been turned over to the left and unless they begin to address moral and religious with something more then contempt they will struggle.

Even rural areas in the Mid-west and NE went to Bush. Exit polls showed moral issues were a top concern and Bush got 80 % or so of those votes. Rightly or wrongly the Republican Party is perceived as the party of 'moral clarity'.

Lots of Southern Republicans were Southern Democrats at one time. Reagan was a Democrat. Who could believe that after the Civil War any self respecting Southern would be a Republican. The entire South is a solid Republican Bloc. As Reagan said these folks didn't leave the Democratic Party it left them.

Both parties will 'vigrously oppose the other guys candidate. The problem is that Kerry being a NE Liberal could not escape his 'liberalism'.

No amount of duck hunting or claims of being a 'religious Catholic' or being opposed to gay marriage could help him.

[TweetyBird]

You can NOT ever force cultural changes on people. People change at their own pace. Thats not rhetoric, I honestly believe that, and I think that is the number 1 problem in the Democratic party - they don't get it.

Edit: I think if Democrats stuck to govermental issues, and dropped their quest to change American culture, they would have hope. E.g, the gay marriage thing. Had the Democrats took this up as the right for two people to form civil unions (in love or not , having sex or not), the would not be infringing on American culture.Marriage is a cultural icon, a civil union isn't - its a legal partnership. Had they taken up the abortion issue as a medical issue, and an assertion of doctor/patient relationship, they would heve treaded on American culture less.

[Nash]

Hmm.... interesting.

Another one of those things that makes sense, and also makes ya wonder why it seems not to have been considered by the Dems.

But if that's true, I wonder if the Repubs have considered that wrt Iraq.

[Gunslinger]

I think the republicans didn't want to hear 4 more years of Blah blah blah stole the elections blah blah blah.....

[TweetyBird]

>>I wonder if the Repubs have considered that wrt Iraq.
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I think they should consider it more and step on culture less, even if it takes women 10 years longer to have the right to vote in patriarchal societies. Its just like the fact you can't teach a child wisdom (you have to pray they live long enough to gather it), you can not change culture on demand. It takes time, and realizing that will save a lot of needless bloodshed.

[Flit]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
You can NOT ever force cultural changes on people. People change at their own pace. Thats not rhetoric, I honestly believe that, and I think that is the number 1 problem in the Democratic party - they don't get it.

Edit: I think if Democrats stuck to govermental issues, and dropped their quest to change American culture, they would have hope. E.g, the gay marriage thing. Had the Democrats took this up as the right for two people to form civil unions (in love or not , having sex or not), the would not be infringing on American culture.Marriage is a cultural icon, a civil union isn't - its a legal partnership. Had they taken up the abortion issue as a medical issue, and an assertion of doctor/patient relationship, they would heve treaded on American culture less.

 The edit nails it
 "Marrage" is and always will be between a man and a woman.
 There's (IMHO) no problem letting gays have equal rights under the law(as in same right's as married couples),as long as they don't call it marrage.

[TweetyBird]

There is another problem in the Democratic party, and its in Hollywood (Hollywierd if you prefer). Hollywood has become accustomed to a sitcom, movie of the week, mini-series, timeframe. The forces in Hollywood have a distorted pace for change. And its all these millionaires with this distorted timeframe who become poster children for the Democrats, which leaves the impression of absurdity in middle America. In MOST of middle America, change happens at the pace of school years or seasons, not primetime hours.

I forget which war it was, but I remember camera crews on a beach filmimg marines as they landed. It was surreal. You had marines ducking there heads so as not to be exposed by the video lights and reporters going for interviews in a frigging beach landing!!

In the first hours of the Iraqi invasion, network news went live and stayed on ALL NIGHT as if the Iraqi conflict was going to be settled in 8 hours.

This is an example of the distorted timeframe Hollywierd lives in. The scary part is they believe cultural changes should happen at this pace. The scary part is they think culture should change as fads.

[Nash]

Well okay.... (and lol) yer talking about Somalia. That was funnay. At least the first 15 minutes of it.

The rest of it.... You're attempting to both cast 'Hollyweird' as weird (and you have a case) and trying to say that Hollywood is the same thing as the press. Now....

Uhm....

Shheat.... you may be onto something.

[Gixer]

Still suprising that only half the country bothers to vote.



...-Gixer