Coulter-ese

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wulfie
 You do not find it interesting how low this was?

 I said it was a first thing that came to mind not right.

No, I don't. I didn't want some "patriot" to spot your post and decide for another crying eagle thread. They sicken me, especially when it's the same people that claim the media over sensationlizes.
-SW

[Eagler]

and thus one of the fundamental flaws in the dumbacrat brain ...

ann = michael m

the mm mindset cost them the election whereas the ann mindset won it for the conservatives ....

but please ... keep up the good work dems  

[lazs2]

Like I said... I voted for a moderate democrat.  I voted for Bush.

Gun control?   The democrats want to take away rights and they think that makes em "progressive"?    They want to ban hobbies like Hot Rods and that makes em "progressive"?  

For some of us... movement in the wrong direction is not progress.

I would vote for a moderate democrat who was for small government and strengthening the constitutional rights of Americans.

lazs

[rshubert]

That means you will never vote democratic.  Their whole worldview is that government is the answer, and individuals are not to be trusted with dangerous toys.  The death of the "dixiecrats" in the last few elections seems to me to show that the country does not, in general, agree with that philosophy.



shubie

[lazs2]

see shubie... there are things we can agree on.

lazs

[AKIron]

I'm not sure what the word "Dixiecrats" means. Is it a slur against southern democrats? If so, what is the dividing ideology between Dixiecrats and Democrats? Just curious. Dividing the Democratic party sounds like a good idea to me.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
see shubie... there are things we can agree on.

lazs

Yeah, but i still get a kick out of bombing toolsheds and driving gun tractors...



shubie

[rshubert]

Originally posted by AKIron
I'm not sure what the word "Dixiecrats" means. Is it a slur against southern democrats? If so, what is the dividing ideology between Dixiecrats and Democrats? Just curious. Dividing the Democratic party sounds like a good idea to me.

The dixiecrats were a group of (percieved) conservative democrats from southern states, no slur implied.  They typically ran on "mom and apple pie" at home, then went to Washington and voted straight party line liberal Roosevelt-style leftist...(okay, I'm starting to rant).

In 1980, there were more than 20 Dixiecrat Senators, now there's one left, good ol' Bobby (KKK) Byrd.



shubie

[Dune]

Dixiecrat
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The States' Rights Democratic Party, usually known as the Dixiecrat Party, was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation. The popular name of the party is a portmanteau originated from "Dixie", which is a term used to describe the South.

The party was formed after a walkout of Southern delegates, led by Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, from the 1948 Democratic National Convention. The walkout was prompted by a controversial speech by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota urging the party to adopt an anti-segregationist platform, based on the shared experience of black and white Americans during World War II. After the announcement by President Harry Truman that his platform would advocate the passage of civil rights laws, Thurmond helped organize the walkout delegates into a separate party, whose platform was ostensibly concerned with states' rights.

Thurmond subsequently ran for President on the Dixiecrat ticket in the 1948 election, and carried the previously solid Democratic states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, receiving 1,169,021 popular votes and 39 electorial votes. The split in the Democratic party in the 1948 election was seen as virtually guaranteeing a victory by the Republican nominee, Thomas E. Dewey of New York, yet Truman won re-election in an upset.

The "Dixiecrat" Party largely dissolved after the 1948 election. Thurmond later joined the Republican Party. Nevertheless, the split in the Democratic party was permanent, eventually resulting in the loss of the South as a Democratic stronghold after 1956. In the 1960s, the courting of formerly Democratic white Southern voters was the basis of the "southern strategy" by Richard Nixon. Republican Barry Goldwater carried the Deep South in 1964, despite losing in a landslide in the rest of the nation to Lyndon Johnson of Texas. The only Democratic presidential candidate after 1956 to solidly carry the Deep South was Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by rshubert
That means you will never vote democratic.  Their whole worldview is that government is the answer, and individuals are not to be trusted with dangerous toys

This is merely regurgitated propaganda.  That you evidently believe it so fully is sad.

Democrats are not nearly so lock stepped as this would make them out to be and it is demonstratably false that they always go for government interference.  The Republicans have been on quite a binge of that lately.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Karnak
DREDIOCK,

I agree that a 3% margin is a good solid win.  It isn't a 60% mandate, but it is a solid win.

What I was refering to was Mini D's 80% being used to indicate that 80% of the voters voted based on Gay marriage when clearly they did not as the actual breakdown was 51% to 48%.

Actually, you're seriously flawed with what you claim I was asserting and why the numbers were 51% to 48% and not 49% to 51%.

The vote swung republican.  Most of the republicans I know that voted for kerry did so because of the gulf.  Most of the democrats I know that voted for Bush did so because of gay marriage issues.

The 11 states that carried anti-gay laws were resoundingly defeated.  The democrats firmly believed that their stance on gay marriage would help them secure democrat votes and they were seriously in error.  80% of the voters disagreed with that.  If you don't believe that swung democrats to vote republicans, you are simply being obtuse.  It doesn't need to swing it to an 80% 20% margin, it just needs to swing it 5 million votes.

The dems seem to be insisting that it was the call to the conservative right that made the difference.  The conservative right were voting bush regardless.  It was the loss in the conservative left that lost the vote for the dems this year.  They forced their hands... completely forgeting who their voters were.  The odd thing is there seems to be an absolute refusal by the dems to accept tthis was a result of an extremely poor strategy.

[TweetyBird]

Good post about the Dixiecrats. Its no secret where they wound up and where the term "neocon" is comming from. Although they spend money like a neurotic woman feeling fat (excuse the stereotype), they embrace  "traditional values" (e.g., no affirmative action, no porn (we gota clean up the internet you know), no art that shows privates, no alcohol, and of course a distinct hate for "jew lawyers").

Its going to be interesting to watch the civil war in the GOP. The fiscal conservatives (Nixon era) are not going to put up with the pork spending of the Dixiecrats/neocons.

[AKIron]

Dixiecrats, Neocons, if the Democrats were as good at political strategery as they are at coming up with derisive names they'd rule the world.

[Charon]

Neocon isn't a slur itself, more of  a definition assigned to a political movement. It means "new conservative" as opposed to old "paleoconservatives" like George Will and Pat Buchanan (and many others), who strongly disagree with the highly liberal direction of the current administration's conservative policy (liberal fiscally, where the role of central government is concerned, and in foreign policy but not socially).

The radical neoconservatives, who appeared in the 1960s, are the first seriously intelligent movement on the American right since the 19th century. They want to remake the international order under effective U.S. hegemony, destroy America's enemies and cripple or eliminate the United Nations and other institutions making a claim to international jurisdiction...

The main intellectual influence on the neoconservatives has been the philosopher Leo Strauss, who left Germany in 1938 and taught for many years at the University of Chicago. Several of the neoconservatives studied under him. Wolfowitz and Shulsky took doctorates under him.

http://www.iht.com/articles/96307.html

Unfortunatley, Dxiecrat is a case of "if the shoe fits." This isn't some conspiracy theory. The Southern Democrats split with the party over the civil rights movement and they weren't quite about it. Some, like Trent Lott even acknowledged it recently - to his regret. To the extent that the South is Dixiecrat today is is debatable, but I would imagine there is still a strong element that supports antebellum dixie ideals as evidenced by the various Confederate flag/state symbols debates. Of course there are plenty who don't, and Democrats like Robert Byrd.

Charon

[AKIron]

So, you're telling me then that it wasn't the Democrats that coined these terms and that they aren't spoken through sneering lips?