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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« on: November 12, 2004, 11:17:59 AM »
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Published on Thursday, November 11, 2004 by the Toronto Star
For Many, Iraq Becoming a Crusade
by Haroon Siddiqui
 

While the people of Falluja were waiting for the American onslaught to begin, mosque loudspeakers were rallying the faithful with cries of "Allah is great" and, "Prepare for jihad."

On the outskirts of the city, some American soldiers were holding a service, invoking Christ and having their foreheads anointed with holy oil by a duty chaplain.

"The enemy has got a face. He's called Satan. He lives in Falluja," declared a Marine lieutenant-colonel.

Allah vs. God? Muhammad vs. Jesus? No, only two warring factions finding solace in their respective faiths for the troubles ahead.

This is not the Crusade. But the religious overtones do take on added meaning since the American commander-in-chief, just anointed by his electorate for being a committed Christian, claims that God guides his foreign policy.

So does Osama bin Laden.

So do many of the Iraqi insurgents.

Religion aside, Falluja is a political and strategic disaster. America will lose even if it wins, as it will militarily.

There is, in fact, little or no point left to the offensive. It is being waged because it had taken on a life of its own. The elaborate American military machine, like any big bureaucracy, cannot quickly adjust to changing reality.

Of the estimated 2,000 to 3,000 insurgents in Falluja, half had already fled. There may only be a few hundred left. The rest are busy elsewhere, in nearby Ramdi and Samarra, causing mayhem.

Even faraway Mosul and Tikrit are under attack this week by the insurgents.

The chief rationale for the Falluja offensive was to capture Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist. Trying to force residents into turning him in, the Americans have been bombing the city for two months.

The locals pleaded that they couldn't give what they didn't have.

How many civilians died in that relentless bombardment? We don't know.

Nearly 90 per cent of the 300,000 residents have fled, carrying their belongings in their hands and on their heads. What was their crime?

And what's the crime of the remaining 30,000, if that's how many are still there?

How many will die?

America does not keep count. And it will no doubt describe all the dead as "guerrillas" and "militants."

If the bombing was designed to produce Zarqawi in time for the American election, the actual invasion was held back to avoid the intrusion of possible bad news into the campaign. The Marines stormed the city within hours of George W. Bush's re-election.

To keep alive the fiction that Iraq is run by Iraqis, not Americans, it was said that the attack had been "authorized" by Prime Minister Ayad Allawi. But that bit of propaganda only drew attention to the fact that if he had, he did so long after the invasion was well underway.

This, you recall, is the second offensive on the city.

The inconclusive one in April that killed at least 600 people, had to be abandoned in the face of a world outcry.

The story was about the same in Najaf. There, the international outcry was louder, given the desecration and destruction of the Shiite holy sites there.

It was Ayatollah Ali Sistani who provided a face-saving exit for the Americans and the radical cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr.

There's no Sistani in the Sunni heartland.

The clerics in Falluja had already turned against the Americans. Now, the clerics in the national Muslim Scholars Association, representing 3,000 Sunni mosques, have as well.

The Iraqi Islamic Party has quit the Allawi government in protest. President Gazi al-Yawar has publicly criticized his prime minister.

The Sunni scholars are calling for a boycott of the January election, the ostensible new reason for wanting to restore Falluja to government control.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the European Union's Javier Solana had raised fears about just such a boycott.

There's another pattern to American incompetence.

Cities are captured by the use of overwhelming force but are allowed to slip out of control. That's what happened in Falluja, Samarra and elsewhere.

Perhaps it is not incompetence. Perhaps the insurgency is spreading like wildfire. No sooner is one put out than another starts.

America may be losing control of Iraq, as it had in the later stages of Vietnam.

Falluja will be "taken" by destroying it, just as Bush has been "liberating" Iraqis by killing them and Allawi has been leading them to democracy by imposing censorship, curfew and martial law.

But this offensive will no more end the reign of terror than the conquest of other cities did.

In fact, it will stoke the insurgency further, as Sunnis and Shiites and other factions help each other out, as they already are.

Are those men in black that the Americans are encountering in Falluja part of al-Sadr's supposedly disbanded militia?

Road bombings, suicide attacks, hostage taking and the sabotage of oil pipelines are growing exponentially.

Humanitarian and development agencies are leaving by the day. American soldiers and Iraqi civilians, mostly the latter, are dying in record numbers.

But in the topsy-turvy world of George W. Bush — and his constituency of conservative Christians — the Iraq mission is a necessary component of his ongoing war against evil.

Reasonable people may think this is not a Crusade, but the core constituencies on both sides increasingly seem to believe so.

© 2004 Toronto Star

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004, 11:20:05 AM »
DETH TO AMREEKA!!! DETH TO BOOSH!!!  KERRY AKBAR!!!

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2004, 11:26:19 AM »
It's really sad that people that write stuff like this really want America to lose the war in Iraq because it makes Bush look bad.

They don't have to come right out and say it you can "read between the lines" and it is clear as day.  Our troops have been doing an awsome job in Fahluja yet you barely hear any fo these anti-bush writers give them any respect what so ever.  

Our troops take great pains in order to inflict as little civilian causualties as possible and still manage to kick bellybutton yet you never hear about that in the paper.  You just hear about the political reprocutions of it.  

ALSO IIRC 1/3rd of the troops assaulting Fahluja right now are in fact Iraqi.  The order to hault the assault the first time and the order to take Faluja now did not come from an American but rather the Iraqi leader.....yet you never hear that.

THEN you get writers like this call it a religious crusade.  :lol

this is laughable at best.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004, 11:41:39 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 11:53:45 AM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ALSO IIRC 1/3rd of the troops assaulting Fahluja right now are in fact Iraqi.  The order to hault the assault the first time and the order to take Faluja now did not come from an American but rather the Iraqi leader.....yet you never hear that.

THEN you get writers like this call it a religious crusade.  :lol

this is laughable at best.


Yep Gunslinger, our soldiers are under orders that came down from the Iraqi on-high.  I think it's not a bad thing at all, and agree wholeheartedly that liberal anti-Bush writers do them a great disservice as well as the American people and our cause.  We are not taking over, we made that clear.  I don't want Iraq.  I like having a nice round number of 50 states.  If we started making conquests to take land (as every 'empire' in history) then I'd have some serious issues with our foreign policy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 11:58:18 AM »
Unreal that I wasted 2 min of my life reading, and now 2 more min. typing about it.

I was hard pressed to find a paragraph that didn't contain at least one obvious and blatant falsehood.

Amazing that this guy has a job for a newspaper.  Are they THAT far out of touch in Toronto?  Do they really buy into this blatant pack of bull stuff?


Seriously...makes me wonder just what color the sky is in their twisted little worlds.

BTW This is my fav. line of that whole farce...


America may be losing control of Iraq, as it had in the later stages of Vietnam.

You are obviously in loony land with the Iraqi Information Minister guy if you are able to print this and be serious.  We're going to lose controll eh?  The whole country you say hmmm??  Uhhh... hrumph.  Just like Vietnam is it?  

Hand over  the hookah Haroon, you obviously need cut off.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 12:09:33 PM »
toronto star? i saw french and canadaian flags flying in the crowd this morning when afrafats casket was unloaded.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 01:32:33 PM »
rpm is really taking the election badly isn't he?

lazs

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004, 02:14:42 PM »
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rpm is really taking the election badly isn't he?

lazs

I don't get it. I mean, I'm sure you're correct, but I didn't see his name in this thread. You're confusing me. I hate it when comments, especially sarcasm, flies right over my head.:(

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 03:02:06 PM »
france and canada....hmm
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2004, 05:24:42 PM »
What?  It's an opinion piece from a crappy paper.  The meaningful info I got from it was.

"The clerics in Falluja had already turned against the Americans. Now, the clerics in the national Muslim Scholars Association, representing 3,000 Sunni mosques, have as well.

The Iraqi Islamic Party has quit the Allawi government in protest. President Gazi al-Yawar has publicly criticized his prime minister."


This I did not know.


Gunslinger,

"It's really sad that people that write stuff like this really want America to lose the war in Iraq because it makes Bush look bad."

Like the bulk of the article this is guess work, into the mind of the author.


john9001,

"toronto star? i saw french and canadaian flags flying in the crowd this morning when afrafats casket was unloaded."

What do you think that means?



Yeager,

"france and canada....hmm"

What are you trying to say?

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2004, 05:29:46 PM »
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Thats neat, how you have been right all your life

The sound of one hand clapping??
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2004, 05:29:47 PM »
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Yeager,

"france and canada....hmm"

What are you trying to say?


IMO his Capslock key is broke a,d he was unable to post a :
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OMFG  !!!! CHIRAC IZ HITLERR !!!!


Or something this profound.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2004, 05:32:12 PM »
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The sound of one hand clapping??



Nah, just a bit of humour.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2004, 06:08:05 PM »
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I don't get it. I mean, I'm sure you're correct, but I didn't see his name in this thread. You're confusing me. I hate it when comments, especially sarcasm, flies right over my head.:(


It's his dry desert state Scottish wit.  He is inferring that, RPM left the states, got a job for a Toronto rag and wrote a piece.

Pretty good sand blasting job...