Author Topic: Treating Religiosity (Read 2059 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #90 on:** November 14, 2004, 12:59:04 AM »

OK thats a good post thanks.

Now have you read my concernas about the math in your religion/crime statements? How couyld you answer that?

Lazerus · « **Reply #91 on:** November 14, 2004, 12:59:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Suave
religion is the source of a great many of the evils that plague mankind.

Positions of power in organized churches have produced a great many evils, just as positions of power anywhere have. It is not the religion that is the source of evil, but the greed that is inherent in man.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #92 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:03:32 AM »

Naaah lazerus, those atheist communists really got rid of all the evils caused by religion... Well thats not really true, some people surely still parcuted their faiths hiddein in their basements at night - I'm sure it was their actions that caused all the immoarity and evils of communist state gulags etc.

Suave · « **Reply #93 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:04:01 AM »

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I sit in my chair in front of my computer and don't talk to anybody. That's antisocial.

I sit in my chair in front of my computer and upload child pornography to distribute throughout the world. That's immoral.

Exactly. Immorality and antisocialism do not equate.

I can identify myself as anything I want to, it does make that identification true.

It appears to me that you have a bigotry towards religion in general.

Of course, I could be wrong, but that's the impression that two pages of posts from you on this subject has left me with.

You might be thinking that antisocial means a person who is not very socially interactive. Antisocial means hostile and hurtfull to society. Distributing child porn is definitely antisocial.

I am not a bigot. My distaste for religion is based on logic and rational deduction. That is the opposite of prejudice.

Suave · « **Reply #94 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:06:47 AM »

Now grunherz wants people to believe that I think people who don't share my religious views are abnormal

pathetic

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #95 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:07:42 AM »

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I am not a bigot. My distaste for religion is based on logic and rational deduction. That is the opposite of prejudice.

Are you serious? Good lord that just crazy...

Suave · « **Reply #96 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:12:23 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Naaah lazerus, those atheist communists really got rid of all the evils caused by religion... Well thats not really true, some people surely still parcuted their faiths hiddein in their basements at night - I'm sure it was their actions that caused all the immoarity and evils of communist state gulags etc.

We agree, I consider stalinism a fanatacism. There was only room for one religion in USSR, and Lenin was it's prophet.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #97 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:12:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Now grunherz wants people to believe that I think people who don't share my religious views are abnormal

pathetic

People can beliver whatever they want, I'm merely poiunt out a tendancy in your posts. You allready said that religius people are more criminal and antisocial on average. You are clearly trying to suggest that study of mentally ill people will lead to discovering the cause of religion in normal people. And then you all but called me crazy for arguing against your views...

You like dong that!

Suave · « **Reply #98 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:14:24 AM »

You're not arguing against my views. You're arguing against what you want my views to be.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #99 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:17:51 AM »

Your views are explicit and clear, they are:

Religious people on average are more likely to be criminals and engage in anti social acts than non religious people.

You belive that religion is the cause of many of the worlds great problems.

You belive that study of abberant mentally ill or otherwise abnormaly functioning people may lead to finding the cause of religion in normal humans. (Some 90% of whom are religious.)

What else? Or am I lying again about your views?

But mostl now just I'm stunned by your statemt excusing your prejudice against religion... That kind of mindset is genaerlly quite troubling, though in retrospect, not surprising.

Lazerus · « **Reply #100 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:29:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Suave
You might be thinking that antisocial means a person who is not very socially interactive. Antisocial means hostile and hurtfull to society. Distributing child porn is definitely antisocial.

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an·ti·so·cial Audio pronunciation of "antisocial" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-sshl, nt-)
adj.

1. Shunning the society of others; not sociable.

The primary meaning of the word appears to fit my definition. The secondary meaning fits yours.

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I am not a bigot. My distaste for religion is based on logic and rational deduction. That is the opposite of prejudice.
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I understand where your logic and percieved rational deduction come from, and have spent many hours pondering the subject. If there was a definitive answer I would agree with you. Because there isn't, your position, as you have posted it to be, is bigoted.

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A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable.
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Suave · « **Reply #101 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:34:53 AM »

GH dislike does not mean prejudiced.

Prejudice is a compound word, pre meaning before and judice meaning judicial, or judge. Meaning to pass judgement and draw an opinion based on irrationalities or emotional reaction, before having knowledge of the subject.

My opinion I have about religion has been formed by my understanding of religion and my unemotional analysis. Thus it is actually the opposite of a prejudiced.

I know that you allready understand this, even though you feign ignorance. But I'm writing it for the benefit of more sincere readers.

I believe that fanatacism, which includes religion has been a source of great suffering to mankind.

And yes I believe there appears to be physiology and a reason behind all social behavior patterns. Including subscription to fanatacism and religion.

Suave · « **Reply #102 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:40:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Lazerus

I understand where your logic and percieved rational deduction come from, and have spent many hours pondering the subject. If there was a definitive answer I would agree with you. Because there isn't, your position, as you have posted it to be, is bigoted.

So by that line of reasoning, if I liked religion I would also be a bigot.

I also disagree that the second definition fitsme. I welcome questions of my religious views. Conversely when I question popular views I'm labeled a bigot. Go figure.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #103 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:43:36 AM »

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I'd say it was just an efficient and fairly foolproof way for the species to survive. We don't need instincts anymore either.

Basta excess baggage.

LOL, you've never been saved by your instincts? you don't think the urge to get laid helps perpetuate the survival of the species? how long do you think a baby would survive it it wasn't for the instincts in the mother that cause her to find that noisy, filthy, demanding little beast cute?

our instincts are necessary, thats why God put them there.

Lazerus · « **Reply #104 on:** November 14, 2004, 01:46:54 AM »

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So by that line of reasoning, if I liked religion I would also be a bigot.

Only if you felt that you were unquestionably right and the beliefs of others were unreasonable.

I don't have a problem with your position on the validity of religion. The problem comes with your classification of those that believe differently than you do.