Author Topic: Marines war criminals? (Read 7036 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #225 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:35:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
So we agree that what he did was wrong then?

Yep. But look at the replies in this thread, comparing the U.S. Marines to the SS because of this incident...my God..

Maniac · « **Reply #226 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:39:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yep. But look at the replies in this thread, comparing the U.S. Marines to the SS because of this incident...my God..

Havnt read every reply in this thread, but i certainly did not see any SS comparison...

The dude ****ed up, its ok to say it, even if you are a American.

Im sure he will get his punishment, even if he goes free from a court martial he will have nightmares about this for the rest of his life.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #227 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:42:03 AM »

That is indeed a bad comparison
one marine is not all marines too

Its just human behaviour under heavy circumstances

Flit · « **Reply #228 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:45:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Well what if we compare you to the SS troops (Not Waffen-SS but those others); also they didn't had much problems executing wounded prisoners but in those times it was a "no no" and when they got caught they were executed, if not immediately after capture then after martial court.

Have rules changed lately ?

here ya go Maniac

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #229 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:48:52 AM »

How many of the US soldiers will come home disorted phygological messed up.

Its gonna cost some lifes back home
that's what's war doing.

Flit · « **Reply #230 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:50:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Animals yes; Just like those who are killing injured enemies. Both are no better than nazies.

Heres another one Maniac

Ripsnort · « **Reply #231 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:51:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac

Im sure he will get his punishment, even if he goes free from a court martial he will have nightmares about this for the rest of his life.

Agreed. What Raub said in the other thread made the most sense of all:

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Raub:
Some of you people have no idea what it is like in these situations and should not be so quick to judge. Your opinions are more or less worthless. If you really think you'd be making well thought-out, rational decisions after many hours of combat in tight quarters you are seriously kidding yourselves. These guys are working on training and guts. I'm all for holding our troops to a standard, but **** happens in the heat of battle. Don't blame the guy who shot them, blame the unit that let these wounded guys sit there for day.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #232 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:51:55 AM »

That last one isn't SS Flit.
-SW

YTSSGTD · « **Reply #233 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:55:37 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
A Marine is about to be made into an example. This guy and his chain of command have just entered a ****storm of epic proportions.

Mercy killing... my ass. Grunts are not trained to make medical assessments like that. Grunts are trained to capture POWs and get them to medical personnel. Medical personnel can then determine if the prisoner can be saved or not. If mercy killing is appropriate, the medical people can do it in a way that is humane and doesn't end up on CNN.

Umm, 1st of all I'm not trained to take POWs, Im trained to make KIAs.

Maniac · « **Reply #234 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:56:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Agreed. What Raub said in the other thread made the most sense of all:

Nah, of course this sole marine is to blame. He pulled the trigger. He wanted to kill the iraqi no matter what...

I understand pressure and all, but that dont justify the killing.

In the West we have rules, and rules are there to be followed, no matter what pressure you have been under.

And for the Iraqi "faking being dead", WTH would you have done? being shot, and a gang of Iraqis enters the room, of course you would have tried to get out of the sitiuation by pretending being dead.

And on a side note... He might have been unconsious no?

This last two paragraph are not specifically pointed at you Rip.

YTSSGTD · « **Reply #235 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:15:13 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
If they are shooting at "real soldiers" then they are by definition not terrorists, but guerrillas or otherwise known as irregular forces. And they are protected by the GC ... everyone is. Even civilians taking up arms against an invading enemy.

If a civilian picks up a gun, knife or a FU(king rock. He is now a COMBATANT. So STFU you do not have a Fu(king clue.

Flit · « **Reply #236 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:17:47 AM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
That last one isn't SS Flit.
-SW

close enuogh for me

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #237 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:23:43 AM »

when a city village stand up for resistance they are not noncombatants.
(think leningrad/stalingrad)
i learned that in the army

oh u can assume someone is death when its head is at least a .5 metre away from the body

the army learned me that too.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #238 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:27:40 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
You seem to think your enemy in Iraq is a single entity, and not an amalgam of different forces. I don't think you seriously think all the 1200 fighters you've killed or captured behead hostages. If you do then you are as big a fool as those that think most US soldiers execute and rape their prisoners.

I know it is not a single entity, but its apparent most Shiite's in Fallujah (as well as the insurgents coming in from Syria, Jordan, Iran) celebrate things like this

Flit · « **Reply #239 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:43:12 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I do have a clue, but it seems you don't. The man that was shot did not have a gun or a knife or even a rock. He was laying completely still on the floor barely breathing.

easy to determine After the fact