Author Topic: Marines war criminals? (Read 7027 times)

Crumpp · « **Reply #300 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:56:16 PM »

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And snipers dont warn anyone before they take them out if they have a deathgrip on someone.

Umm, He was not a Sniper. Technically speaking he was an assaulter. Totally different ballgame and mindset.

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No I wouldn't warn the room, I'd remove the threat if I thought it was a threat that could be quickly removed.

From your Sniper Hide across the room?

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Martlet · « **Reply #301 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:57:29 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
No I wouldn't warn the room, I'd remove the threat if I thought it was a threat that could be quickly removed.

And snipers dont warn anyone before they take them out if they have a deathgrip on someone. They remove the threat. They act in a trained manner.

Well, hopefully the marine will someday achieve your level of greatness.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #302 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:58:00 PM »

BTW, I am defending due proccess. I don't for a second think the marine was acting in his right mind. The video shows an *apparent* murder, and have state in another post, video lies sometimes. Even if the video didn't lie, I am not for a second saying the marine is a calculating killer. All I'm stating is barring any great extenuating circumstances, the act appears to be a murder.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #303 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:01:31 PM »

>>Well, hopefully the marine will someday achieve your level of greatness.<<

ok, I see, discussion off, insults on.

Here's mine. You are a thug and of the same midset as terrorists if you defend murder. And if you do it, I hope you rot in hell.

Crumpp · « **Reply #304 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:02:33 PM »

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His ghillie suit looks just like a toaster oven.

Complete with a warm pop tart stickin out the top.....

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Here's mine. You are a thug and of the same midset as terrorists if you defend murder. And if you do it, I hope you rot in hell.

I think that is a just a little too left of reality for anyone to be offended. Try something relevant to the discussion. Dig into that cold snipers heart and find something else.

Crumpp

Airhead · « **Reply #305 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:05:28 PM »

Oh man, just when you think it can't look any worse for the US forces in Iraq this is on MSN International- (I'd link but I don't know, or care, how)

"Marines detained 47 men in Fallujah on Wednesday after residents were invited via loudspeakers to a mosque with the promise of food. Males ages 15 to 55 were tested for traces of gunpowder, which led to the detentions."

What kind of dirty trick is THAT- promising Iraquis food, then testing their hands for gunpowder residue? That has GOT to be a clear violation of the Geneva Convention, to actually lie to people like that.

Where is Due Process? Where is Humanity? And, most important of all, where in the HELL are the sandwiches?

Crumpp · « **Reply #306 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:07:16 PM »

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What kind of dirty trick is THAT- promising Iraquis food, then testing their hands for gunpowder residue?

Those cold uncaring bastards! Imagine not feeding a terrorist.

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Holden McGroin · « **Reply #307 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:10:10 PM »

Tweety bird, you say "apparrent murder" and then you say murder in a matter of fact way in the very next post.

We have a video that shows a marine shooting a wounded man. Wounded men are still dangerous, especially those who may be zealots, who may be triggering an explosive.

I give the marine the benifit of the doubt until otherwise convinced, and in that video, the only certainty is doubt as to the mindset of both the marine and the wounded man.

A very slight unauthorised move could have signaled danger to the marine.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #308 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:10:55 PM »

>>BS. Ask any cop about verbilization.<<

I know the marine wasn't a sniper. But you are defending the act as if he felt the insurgent had a death grip on the room (a hidden gun, bomb etc.). No cop would verbalize that, he'd remove it, or verbalize while removing it.

Airhead · « **Reply #309 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:16:11 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
It's also not legal for a combatant to fake like they are dead IIRC.

Maybe he was taking a nap?

TweetyBird · « **Reply #310 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:17:16 PM »

>>Tweety bird, you say "apparrent murder" and then you say murder in a matter of fact way in the very next post.
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I'm saying apparent murder because video DOES lie. Its two dimensional and some things not even considered are not shown on the video. A video is just one (or a few) snapshot in time and sometimes it poorly represents the whole story. If I missed prefacing "murder" with *apparent* sometimes, its not a plot. I just forgot. I think I've stated in a few post "if events are as the video depicts" or something to that effect.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #311 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:21:50 PM »

It's just that 'apparent murder' means something different from 'shooting' or 'killing'.

I do not have the evidence before me to move from a label of 'killing' to 'apparent murder'.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #312 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:29:38 PM »

I say apparent murder because of the audio. As I remember, the guy didn't sound panicked, and went through at least 3 lines of indicating he didn't think the guy was dead. He said nothing about fearing a bomb or gun. He did say he saw the guy breathing. It seemed like 15 seconds to me, but others say it was rapid. If everything was as it appears on video, that would be a murder and not a "shooting" or [justifiable]"killing."

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #313 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:37:14 PM »

I heared some stress in his voice.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #314 on:** November 17, 2004, 10:39:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Oh man, just when you think it can't look any worse for the US forces in Iraq this is on MSN International- (I'd link but I don't know, or care, how)

"Marines detained 47 men in Fallujah on Wednesday after residents were invited via loudspeakers to a mosque with the promise of food. Males ages 15 to 55 were tested for traces of gunpowder, which led to the detentions."

What kind of dirty trick is THAT- promising Iraquis food, then testing their hands for gunpowder residue? That has GOT to be a clear violation of the Geneva Convention, to actually lie to people like that.

Where is Due Process? Where is Humanity? And, most important of all, where in the HELL are the sandwiches?

Residents?
Pretty safe bet at this point that the very vast majority of "residents" left in the town were of the enemy variety.
Doncha just love the way the media words things sometimes?

At first glance and if you didnt know better one would think they just rolled into town, set out a spread and annouced there was a free feast going on for anyone that was interested.

But I bet they probably made good on their offer of food. Gunpowder residue or not