Author Topic: LW cans are porked (Read 1006 times)

Gwjr2 · « **on:** January 01, 2005, 03:06:34 PM »

first off i love Finn-Rus but the IIC needs to go put a Hurri MK1 and F4F there as the Brewster and when it takes over 40-50 20mm to knock down a Hurri its a little stupid.

These are the reasons no one will come and stay in CT I fly both sides and LW Guns are porked a Hurri IIc hit my 190 from 600+ and no tail, I hit a rope floping IIc with ONLY cans and he flys away with a smoking engine, please fix this or I will see you next map as most others Im sure.

storch · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2005, 09:18:04 PM »

I had 10-12 can only hits on a yak today and it flew away apparently undamaged. we may want to look into this. the whole thing is a little frustrating.

Jester · « **Reply #2 on:** January 02, 2005, 09:11:01 AM »

Don't think it is the LW Cannons. IMO It is the Hurri.

While flying a sortie the other day in my 109G-2, I hit a Hurri II with my cannons hard apparently doing some damage as the pilot could only fly straight and level.

I pulled in behind him and began to chew on him with the 20 or so cannon rounds and my full oad of BB's I had left. The range was always kept from 150 to 200 yards and he was flying straight and level the whole time.

I put the cannon straight into his wing root and ZIP. I proceded to shoot the CRAP out of him with the whole load of BB's taking my time to aim for the cockpit and engine area. Had all kids of sprites as I hosed him down till I ran out of ammo. When I was out he flew on off like I wasn't even there. Never even smoked his engine.

Think the Hurri has the same damage problem as the Tiger.

Gwjr2 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2005, 02:00:49 PM »

if thats the case can we remove it?

plank · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2005, 02:05:22 PM »

Are the damage sprites server-side or client-side?

storch · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2005, 04:08:08 PM »

jester may be right but it would have to be checked and verified. I just hit a Hurri II with 3 3cm can rounds and it didn't die, it just kept flying on.

Kweassa · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2005, 08:43:23 PM »

Then if indeed the Hurri is the problem, you guys should do a controlled test to see if the problem is duplicable, film that, and send it to HTC for them to review.

storch · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2005, 09:47:35 PM »

actually we did do a controlled test in the CT and it took 5 3cm hits from 200-100m out and 12 2cm hits from 600 to 400m out to take out the HurriII, however the .303s from the Hurri I seem to take them out with no problem. while in the game I noticed that the La 5 cans shooting at me were taking 6 hits to kill my 109 from 400-200m yet the hispanos will kill me with 1 ping from 800m out. go figure. maybe it's individual conx problems who knows. has anyone else experienced this in the CT lately?

Kweassa · « **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2005, 05:31:41 AM »

Wait a min, storch.

Are you saying your test result is a Hurricane withstood 5x MK108 30mm shells??

If that be the case, connection problems or not, it definately should be filmed and submitted to HTC. Sounds like a problem, and a big one, too.

storch · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2005, 07:04:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Wait a min, storch.

Are you saying your test result is a Hurricane withstood 5x MK108 30mm shells??

If that be the case, connection problems or not, it definately should be filmed and submitted to HTC. Sounds like a problem, and a big one, too.

yup it took two hits to take out 1/2 of the left wing but gwjr3 was able to hold it steady enough so that with 3 more hits I took out the right wing at the wing root. We didn't film it though just did it to see if it was really going on as we both noticed it and were commenting o it on the country channel.

Urchin · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:50:56 PM »

Turn on V-sync and try it again.

I noticed the same "problem" with the 30mm when AH2 came out.. I'd hammer people with the 30mm and they'd fly off like nothing happened. Apparently having V-sync disabled means you don't transmit everything your FE sees or something. So, try it with V-sync enabled, if it still takes multiple hits to drop a plane (or at least kill the engine), then I'd say you've run into a bug of some kind.

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2005, 10:19:44 PM »

The hurricane has a wood 'skeletal' structure wrapped in canvas. It is highly resistant to M'geschoss and HE rounds.

You can blow away the Hurricane's skin and it can still fly. Unlike stressed skinned aircraft where the skin is critical in holding the aircraft together. Mine rounds are designed to blow out the stressed skin so that the aircraft sturcture fails. They are less effective against wood or canvas.

During BoB it was more effective to get close with mg17s and light the hurricane aflame then fire Mine rounds, which may or may not detonate or could pass through the canvas and detonate externally. Shrapnel from the rounds are small and may cause damage but its not very likely that the shrapnel would be enough to bring down an aircraft.

We know that the AH damage model is not that sophisticated so the above is obviously not modeled. Maybe Ht has made up for this in another way. Like increasing the damage resistance of the Hurricane. Just look at the F4F or FM2, these are 2 of the toughest aircraft in AH.

Sakai says he shot down F4F's with 7mm only. Try that in AH...

storch · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2005, 11:14:22 PM »

v sync has been enabled on my system since AH2

Gwjr2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 10, 2005, 07:48:56 PM »

act Storch I think I DO have the film of the 2nd test we did Ill look around

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2005, 01:07:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
The hurricane has a wood 'skeletal' structure wrapped in canvas. It is highly resistant to M'geschoss and HE rounds.

You can blow away the Hurricane's skin and it can still fly. Unlike stressed skinned aircraft where the skin is critical in holding the aircraft together. Mine rounds are designed to blow out the stressed skin so that the aircraft sturcture fails. They are less effective against wood or canvas.

During BoB it was more effective to get close with mg17s and light the hurricane aflame then fire Mine rounds, which may or may not detonate or could pass through the canvas and detonate externally. Shrapnel from the rounds are small and may cause damage but its not very likely that the shrapnel would be enough to bring down an aircraft.

We know that the AH damage model is not that sophisticated so the above is obviously not modeled. Maybe Ht has made up for this in another way. Like increasing the damage resistance of the Hurricane. Just look at the F4F or FM2, these are 2 of the toughest aircraft in AH.

Sakai says he shot down F4F's with 7mm only. Try that in AH...

Wotan, IIRC they had done away with the canvas "skin" on the Hurri in the II series. I'm at work right now, so I dont have any reference material, but I could swear that one of the "improvements" of the II series was metal skin.