Author Topic: Stupid math tricks and nicotine addiction (Read 1569 times)

Airhead · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:31:36 AM »

A toad with lips? I'd hit it.

indy007 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:49:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Professional and highly trained pilots fly commercial jets. Ordinary people drive cars. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare death rates between more similar groups? They need to include the number of non-commercial airplane fatalities into their total, or they need to measure the death rates for professional drivers only (e.g. truck drivers, limosine drivers, bus drivers, etc).

I'm guessing that doing so would change the findings somewhat.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Well, I can help out with one statistic. Delivery drivers (specifically auto parts delivery drivers) average 2 tickets and one at-fault accident per year.

Toad · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:53:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
A toad with lips? I'd hit it.

The question is, "would the toad hit you"?

Brace yourself Air......... this may be hard on your ego....... probably not.

Unless, perchance, you look like this or at least very close to it:

Better luck next time!

indy007 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:56:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
tweety I just got off the zyban because it was killing my stomach and I wanted to drink for the hollidays. That, and I didn't set up properly for the "quit".

Never really had stomach problems on Zyban. However, myself (and 2 others on it) got really bad about saying things unneccessarily harshly to people without realising it...almost to the point you'd think we'd had no internal monologue. Also had the most surreal, vivid dreams of my entire life. It did work like a champ though, 14 days into it, I quit smoking completely. Was happy until I ended up sitting @ a bar for a co-workers bday party with a bunch of chain smokers... was back up to a pack a day in 2 weeks.

Preparing myself for another 30 days of being a zyban zombie. Made a deal with the g/f to quit before Valentine's Day. Good luck with quitting Tweety & Guns ~~! Definately not easy.~~

Jackal1 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2005, 11:22:57 AM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Never really had stomach problems on Zyban. However, myself (and 2 others on it) got really bad about saying things unneccessarily harshly to people without realising it...almost to the point you'd think we'd had no internal monologue. Also had the most surreal, vivid dreams of my entire life. It did work like a champ though, 14 days into it, I quit smoking completely. Was happy until I ended up sitting @ a bar for a co-workers bday party with a bunch of chain smokers... was back up to a pack a day in 2 weeks.

Preparing myself for another 30 days of being a zyban zombie. Made a deal with the g/f to quit before Valentine's Day. Good luck with quitting Tweety & Guns ~~! Definately not easy.~~

~~Get your Dr. to prescribe you Wellbutrin, sold as an antidepressant. It`s the same drug , just sold under different brand names. It`s nearly always sold cheaper than Zyban in most areas.~~

indy007 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2005, 11:33:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
Get your Dr. to prescribe you Wellbutrin, sold as an antidepressant. It`s the same drug , just sold under different brand names. It`s nearly always sold cheaper than Zyban in most areas.

Yeah it's same thing. I actually get perscribed Wellbutrin because my insurance covers neither. It's still $100 for a month perscription (45 pills, 1 a day for 15, 2 a day for 15), compared to the "name brand" Zyban prices.

midnight Target · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:09:40 PM »

Zyban worked for me. It'll be 5 years in April.. on the 7th... at 9pm... naaa I don't miss smoking at all.

SunTracker · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:19:41 PM »

Your not even counting light plane crashes. They are probably only 2 or 3 times safer than cars.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:22:43 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
Yeah it's same thing. I actually get perscribed Wellbutrin because my insurance covers neither. It's still $100 for a month perscription (45 pills, 1 a day for 15, 2 a day for 15), compared to the "name brand" Zyban prices.

yea I had some cool and totaly whacked out dreams on zyban. I didn't really have a problem with talking to people I just yelled alot more. Not like I'm angry yelling or talking over somone yelling but yelling in a joking ordering around type yelling.

also, they had us take 1 a day for 3 days then 2 a day for there after. The stuff dried my mouth out like I was having cotton mouth flash backs.

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The most addictive substance on earth? Answer: caffiene.

But here's the real meat of the question......WHY is it the most addictive? Is it because MORE people need it, OR is it because it IS in fact more physically, chemically addictive to the Human body. That's were I thaught it would be funny to play with the numbers a bit and see what sticks.

I know quitting some somtances can actually kill you if you don't taper off properly and even then it's quite painfull. heroin being one of those "chemically" addictive substances I would assume it is in fact MORE addictive than caffine/nicotine even though less people are addicted to it.

wombatt · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:28:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea I had some cool and totaly whacked out dreams on zyban. I didn't really have a problem with talking to people I just yelled alot more. Not like I'm angry yelling or talking over somone yelling but yelling in a joking ordering around type yelling.

also, they had us take 1 a day for 3 days then 2 a day for there after. The stuff dried my mouth out like I was having cotton mouth flash backs.

LOL I am on wellbutrin XL same this as Zyban
Yeah I have some weird dreams to.
Down to 2or 3 ciggs a day but those last 2-3 are tough.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #25 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:36:19 PM »

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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL I am on wellbutrin XL same this as Zyban
Yeah I have some weird dreams to.
Down to 2or 3 ciggs a day but those last 2-3 are tough.

That is the exact same problem I had. Funny thing was is I changed my "habbits" IE no more smoking w/ Coffee. No Cig until 10AM and such but then I developed NEW habbits.

Best thing is take up some new hobbies or get ya a couple really good video games to occupy your mind and your hands for periods of time.

rshubert · « **Reply #26 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:57:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Professional and highly trained pilots fly commercial jets. Ordinary people drive cars. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare death rates between more similar groups? They need to include the number of non-commercial airplane fatalities into their total, or they need to measure the death rates for professional drivers only (e.g. truck drivers, limosine drivers, bus drivers, etc).

I'm guessing that doing so would change the findings somewhat.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Well, according to Flying magazine (they track this stuff), general aviation is less safe than driving, from a fatality per passenger-mile basis. Commercial aviation is safer.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 04, 2005, 07:11:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

I know quitting some somtances can actually kill you if you don't taper off properly and even then it's quite painfull. heroin being one of those "chemically" addictive substances I would assume it is in fact MORE addictive than caffine/nicotine even though less people are addicted to it.

I`d have to disagree. Heroin is less readily available or easily acquired to the average person and is shunned by society. Even if was was as readily available or more accepted though, I seriously doubt it would ever reach anywhere near matching the number of people who are addicted to caffiene.

Flyboy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 04, 2005, 07:28:00 PM »

i am addicted to adrenaline (basicly i try any extreme sport i can)

nothing beats the rush you get when climbing a cliff unbelayed (sp?)
i only climbed un belayed twice in my life, one place in moab utah at the archers park.
and on some small island of the shore of turkey.

oh i allso do free diving (my record is 30meters)

i am not planning on quiting any time soon

Gunslinger · « **Reply #29 on:** January 04, 2005, 07:34:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`d have to disagree. Heroin is less readily available or easily acquired to the average person and is shunned by society. Even if was was as readily available or more accepted though, I seriously doubt it would ever reach anywhere near matching the number of people who are addicted to caffiene.

so your in the crowd of "if more people are addicted it is MORE addictive" I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that at all, but I beleive a substance such as heroin can "Adict" more people their first try chemically so to me that would seem to be more "addictive".

I'm not arguing here I just think it's interesting how people see things as bing more addictive than another. IE what is a good measure of addiction.....the amount of people it addicts, or the amount that an individual wants/needs it?