Author Topic: Sailing question.... Plus Pirates Rocks! (Read 817 times)

pugg666 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:07:07 PM »

They have 40 guns Gto, copper plating and cotton sails are a must though, triple hammocks are handy, upping crew capacity to 375.

I think it would be hard to implement, but a multiplayer mode would be a blast.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:10:17 PM »

I have played it to the end once and am working on my second go.

Do the ports that have upgrades stay the same or is it random?

When you bombard a city do they lose troops?

vorticon · « **Reply #32 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:13:51 PM »

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I think it would be hard to implement, but a multiplayer mode would be a blast.

pirates of the burning sea is what your after....

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:18:29 PM »

If it ever comes out.

JBA · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:19:43 PM »

don't forget the KEEL, centerboard, or what it may be on the boat of choice. If you were to lift it clear of the water the boat would be "pushed" side ways. the drag on the keel acts like a wing and produces forward movement.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:03:34 PM »

No!

The keel only works to counteract the force from the sail in lateral movement. If you have ever studied vectors you would easily get it in my diagram.

Now we can get complicated with it. If the boat is just existing by itself, it would roll over. The wind is pushing on the sail in one clockwise direction, and the boat wants to drift that direction. So the water is pushing on the keel in the same clockwise direction.

So without anything else, the boat would roll over. So what you do is put wait towards the side where the wind is hitting. This (if you're fat enough) will counteract both the torque of the sail and of the keel.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:18:35 PM »

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So the water is pushing on the keel in the same clockwise direction.

No water, no keel...

hawker238 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 19, 2005, 05:38:03 PM »

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No water, no keel...

Wheels allow for counterbalancing. Notice how they are widely spaced.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2005, 06:17:45 PM »

They also perform the function of a keel for limiting sideslip. I was just posting a photo of something I used to do as a kid.

rshubert · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2005, 07:37:44 PM »

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No, it's not exactly like a wing. Wings are solid. Wings generate lift perpindicular to the bottom plane of the wing. Sail's generate lift a little forward of perpindicular.

We could argue this all day, but...see "ultralight", or "hangglider". Same structure, same thing, just horizontal instead of vertical.

Here's a link that explains it with words and stuff:

http://www.sailnet.com/collections/learningtosail/index.cfm?articleID=matthe0700&coll_cat=Theory&Coll_name=Basic%20Sailing%20Theory

shubie

lightning sailor, by the way...lasers are for noobs.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2005, 07:54:01 PM »

a rigid wing on an Aussie cat.

Dennis Conner defended the America's Cup against the Kiwi deed of gift boat in San Diego with the Stars and Stripes catamaran, and it had a rigid wing sail built by Burt Rutan.

It wasn't used in competition as I recall.

Sails are wings.

Pei · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2005, 07:55:14 PM »

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So what you do is put wait towards the side where the wind is hitting. This (if you're fat enough) will counteract both the torque of the sail and of the keel.

Which is why a lot of top-end racing yachts have a tilting keel: they can angle the keel out to windward to increase the effect.

With regards to the no-go zone to windward most modern (sloop-rigged) yachts can make around 35 degrees, and some of the ultra-modern racers like the maxis can make under 25 degrees.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2005, 08:40:23 PM »

Yes, but the closer you go to the wind, the slower you go. No amount of technology besides a motor can change this simple fact.

Btw, the wheels work to counteract the lateral force from the sail.

My diagram is the best thing to describe how sailing works. You will not find anything better, only something that could possible match it.

Also, those new sails work by turning apparent wind into real wind.

As a further addendum, I think that Lightnings are glorified pieces of ****. There are boats out there that are simpler, yet more complicated at the same time, not to mention faster. I prefer the Laser 2.

rshubert · « **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2005, 09:19:40 PM »

Blasphemer. Heretic. You will burn. BURRRRRRRRRRRN. Lightnings are the most perfect sailboat ever created. Ask the man who owns one, me for example. 19 feet 6 inches, 700 pounds, and more sail than is safe. What more could you want?

Nash · « **Reply #44 on:** January 19, 2005, 09:23:39 PM »

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What more could you want?

Good question. It's been some years since I was into sailing, but I was always partial to Tanzers. What's it like today? If you could buy a boat 50' feet or less, and money wasn't a factor, what would it be?