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Offline DoKGonZo

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2005, 01:19:25 PM »
Oh, the poor Broonz. All those years of idiot Harry Sinden trying to recreate the Orr-Espo dynasty through aggressive and haphazzard trades. Hoping to once again get lucky. I grew up watching that team ... Orr, Espo, Derek, Cheesie, Hodge, Bucyk, Eddie J, Cashman, "Pie" McKenzie. Nothing else in hockey has come close. Bruins hockey used to be so much fun to watch then.


As for the Steelers, Cowher has always played not to lose, and played predictably,  as long as I can remember. And the way he rips a QB or RB  apart when they make a mistake, I guess some folks thrive on that. But you look at the way their playoff's always seem to end - it's usually the same way. Maybe it isn't the players. He's done a good job, but I don't see him bringing a team all the way.


This could be a pretty good SuperBowl. I expect the Eagles to hit Brady a lot more than the Colts or Steelers did. And McNabb won't throw INT's - he's too experienced. The Eagles are a pretty well balanced team. But with Charlie Weiss leaving the team at the end of the season, and Romeo Crennel probably gone too - you know those guys see this as their last shot at another championship in a long, long while. And with two weeks to prepare, I dunno, the Pats are gonna be mighty tough to beat.

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2005, 01:52:13 PM »
I thought that running Bettis on that play was what it was all about; "Everyone knows it's coming, and we're going to get the yards anyhow." I believe you HAVE TO accept that challenge of getting those yards, but you also have to be versatile enough to try a different play.

I dunno. I see Cowher from the inside, as a fan. I like him as a coach. Is he too conservative, Yeah, probably; but is that a function of him being conservative as a play caller, or of him not having enough confidence in his players that they will deliver the big gamble often enough to make the risk worth it? In this case, I think it's the rookie QB that made the risk of the big pass plays not worth it.


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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2005, 03:17:29 PM »
Oh, the poor Broonz. All those years of idiot Harry Sinden trying to recreate the Orr-Espo dynasty through aggressive and haphazzard trades. Hoping to once again get lucky. I grew up watching that team ... Orr, Espo, Derek, Cheesie, Hodge, Bucyk, Eddie J, Cashman, "Pie" McKenzie. Nothing else in hockey has come close. Bruins hockey used to be so much fun to watch then.

We must be close in age ... those were the days ... I ate, drank, and slept hockey back then. I was the most advid Rangers fan alive ... but always watched in awe of Orr, Espo and god did I love Derek Sanderson.

Nothing better than watching those two teams go at it ... black & white TV only ... WOR out of New York. My dad had a vice-grip permanately attached to the TV antenna pole. I would go outside and turn/tweak it and he would pound on the wall when it came in good. Good ... was like watching a game while sitting in a blizzard thats how snowy the reception was but was always great to watch.

Pats will beat up on the Eagles ... after watching how they drubbed the Colts and Steelers ... Eagles have no chance.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2005, 03:42:46 PM »
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Oh, the poor Broonz. All those years of idiot Harry Sinden trying to recreate the Orr-Espo dynasty through aggressive and haphazzard trades. Hoping to once again get lucky. I grew up watching that team ... Orr, Espo, Derek, Cheesie, Hodge, Bucyk, Eddie J, Cashman, "Pie" McKenzie. Nothing else in hockey has come close. Bruins hockey used to be so much fun to watch then.


He almost did it in the early 90s i thought...  i missed out on the greats mentioned above but i was diehard right around the time they won the adam's division. i remember their first line being juneau oates neely sweeney and bourque with moog in net. i used to think those guys were gods. neely was half the heart of that team though and once he had to retire bourque couldn't do it on his own. i hate jacobs with a passion because every year he only spends enough money to get interest and into the playoffs where they get bounced in the 1st round. i was glad for ray when they finally moved him to a contender and i think it was classy that he brought the cup back to boston like he did. (and sinden threw him under the bus for it, of course) :mad: :mad:

 i miss hockey :(
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2005, 09:45:52 PM »
Yeah ... I watched the B's in B&W on WSBK channel 38. This was when there were only 2 UHF channels in Boston and they were only on like 12 hours of the day (during which they mostly showed "The Three Stooges". The games against the Canadiens were always big back then.

I guess it's a blessing and a curse that I grew up where I did and when I did. I got that great Bruins era, plus the Bird era with the Celtics. If you ever get a chance to rent that SI video on Bird you should grab it. Most people only remember him from his last years, when his back was messed up. But at his peak he was unstoppable in a way that Shaq or Kobe will never understand - and footage of those days is on that video compilation.


As far as the Pats, their success starts from the top with Bob Kraft. Once they got Victor Kaim out of there, they finally got a real human being running the team. He got the new stadium built and hired a coach who would build something to last, instead of the crap Parcells pulled. Or should I say "pulls." The New England area will never forget or forgive the Tuna.

Personally, I don't care as much about the Superbowl. If the Eagles win, they deserve a break. A Pats fan knows how much it sucks to go so long without a title. I got my satisfaction out of seeing the Patriots shut Manning down, and then get payback on the Steelers.

I still think the Pats will win, though. :D

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2005, 12:13:15 AM »
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I dont think the play on 4th and 2 in the first quarter was that big of a play. Personally I would have attempted a field goal or if behind by more faked it with Maddox as the place kicker. As soon as they lined up, I knew they were going to give it to Bettis. Of course Hind sight is 20/20, but it seemed the Patriots knew exactly what was going to happen.Why not screen or Shovel it out?

Well, a field goal would have been about 57 yards, so that was out of the question. And the Pats would have been thinking fake all the way. You don't want to out think yourself either, you try to flat pass or shovel or some kind of gadget play and it doesn't work, you look like an idiot for having an all pro offensive line, the Bus, and the second best running attack and not trying to get 2 yards. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I definatley dont think he is a coward though

Of course not, that's silly

You knew the Patriots were going in Defensivley to..

A. Stop the Steeler Run
B. Force Ben to throw interceptions


lol, that was everyone's game plan for the Steelers, and it didn't work all season.

Everybody knew that before hand. So why not switch it up on them?, Line up with Bettis and 3 or 4 Wide Recievers, force the Patriots to guess.

Why mess with success?

If the Patriots know you are going to run the Ball every First Down, And they line up with 9 Players on the line of scrimmage, Dont run the ball!!!! Its that simple!!!

Call an Audible and go to the Air!!!


Well, that's where it isn't so simple. Sure, they were bringing men up, but then they would rush 2 and drop 9 into coverage at the snap of the ball. The Pats do a great job of disguising their coverage, you do not realize what you are seeing and are forced to guess yourself.

The Steelers gave their fans a great season, unfortunately, only one team wins their last game.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2005, 08:20:16 AM »
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You knew the Patriots were going in Defensivley to..

A. Stop the Steeler Run
B. Force Ben to throw interceptions


lol, that was everyone's game plan for the Steelers, and it didn't work all season.


In the end, that's what happened. All year, that was everyones' game plan, and the Pats were the only team good enough to make it work. Two great teams, one was better. End of story. Same thing happened to the Raiders a lot in the '70s (mostly at the hands of the Steelers), the Bills in the '90s, the Vikes forever.


It'll be a great SB, I think. I can't root too hard for the Pats, I live in the Eagles AOR and most of my friends are bird fans.


Tom