GOP tire slashers caught.

[Habu]

Originally posted by JB88
and your refusal to put up or shut up only serves to demonstrate what?

enlighten me.

I follow his line of though pretty easily. I am unsure of what your point is (or even if you have one).

[JB88]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Yes, I do believe that there were registered republicans who attempted to engage in harassment of democratic voters, but out right fraud?  

 

ok.  maybe we need to define fraud as well...but we'll take this as an example.


The worst example I know of is an allegation that:

i asked for you to give an example of the worst "republican"example.  i am asking you to be critical of your party.  unless you are in fact saying "NO...they did not...are you?


Several hundred provisional ballots of registered Democrats disqualified in New Mexico by Republican judge; ballots certified "good" turn out to be all Republican; this news comes as reports indicate provisional ballots are being rejected in New Mexico at higher rates than expected [via reader radtimes, reports in the Albuquerque Tribune]

As for continued Democratic Party Fraud, the following should enlighten you:

Democratic Party Staffers were making calls to Republicans in Ohio with wrong polling site information; Democrats claim volunteers made a mistake and that Democratic voters were also provided incorrect information [via Demos, a report in the Marion Star]

124 fake voter registrations in exchange for crack cocaine in Ohio [via Mark Adams (here and here)]: We have this story in the Toledo Blade about a volunteer Chad Staton hired by a volunteer who in turn worked for the non-partisan but left-leaning NAACP Voter Fund - Staton made up voter registrations with (easily detectable) fraudulent names like Mary Poppins in exchange for crack cocaine.

Tampering of voting machines charged in Yonkers, New York, with the discovery of damaged or missing seals in 22 machines. Recount currently showing significantly shrink in lead for Republican in state Senate race [via Votersunite, this article from a local NBC affiliate

Want me to go on?

yes.  i would like you to answer the question as it was presented.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Voter Fraud: Rampant and Blatant
The Democrats have been warning about voter fraud for almost four years now and it looks like they have been strangely prescient. According to constant reports voter fraud this year just may reach epic proportions. Of course what the Democrats will not openly tell you is they are the ones doing it.

First things first. Colorado, which is already set to be a center of controversy, is inundated with forged voter registrations:

9News has discovered a record number of fraudulent voter-registrations across the state. Secretary of State Donetta Davidson tells 9News she is concerned about what the I-Team has uncovered and wants those responsible prosecuted. "It has just gone rampant," she told reporter Deborah Sherman in an interview Monday afternoon.

Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50.

ACORN's state director said they are victims of the fraud as well and told 9News the group is cooperating with local investigators.

But is this an isolated incident?

Not if you live in Ohio:

Hamilton County election officials will meet this morning to discuss 19 voter registrations for people who may not exist, which would be a rare case of election fraud.

Board of Elections Director John Williams subpoenaed those named on the voter registration cards after similar handwriting and false addresses raised election workers' suspicions. The sheriff's department could not find them, he said.

The cards were turned in, Williams said, by someone affiliated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that represents low-income people.

And things look worse when we get into the big city of Columbus:
Prosecutors in Columbus have filed criminal charges against an Acorn registrar, saying that he filed a false registration form and forged a signature. Officials for the group say they fired the worker and instituted a quality checking system before the prosecutors acted.
Move on down the road abit into Pennsylvania and what do we see? Oh, heavens no:
"It’s absolutely out of hand," Bellman said. "Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registrations but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations."

Bellman said his office has had numerous calls from people who were registered through a group called the Association Communication Organization for Reform Now (ACORN), complaining that those taking down the voter information deliberately put inaccurate information on the form.


And what good would an election fraud story be without Florida? Gotcha covered:

The St. Petersburg Times reported Monday that former St. Petersburg Mayor Charles Schuh was the victim of registration fraud. The newspaper reported Schuh's wife, Jean, received a telephone call seeking verification for voter information her husband had filled out. "She gave the right address and telephone number, but she said his birthday was Aug. 9, 1974," Jean Schuh told the caller. "I told her Charlie was born in 1936. He was on the St. Petersburg City Council in 1974. He's 68."

The caller said Schuh's application had the box "female" checked, along with "Republican."

Schuh said when she asked who the caller was with, she was told the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.


This, my friends, is what any half-witted individual would call a pattern. Obviously this is not an isolated incident of bad training or misjudgement but a systemic, multi-state issue. An ex-ACORN opperative agrees:

"There was a lot of fraud committed," said Mac Stuart, former Miami-Dade field director for ACORN. Among his allegations -- that ACORN "quality control" workers routinely kicked back Republican voter registrations while paying for Democratic ones. "They said they had enough," he said.

ACORN is spearheading both a minimum wage ballot initiative and a voter registration drive. Its top two Florida directors failed to return telephone calls Friday.

Stuart is listed as a plaintiff in a notice of intent to sue ACORN and others in a discrimination class-action lawsuit. "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started," the intent-to-sue filing asserts.

It does not get much more obvious than this. Right now there are several state prosecutions going on against ACORN. I am no legal expert, but considering how widespread their violations are, it seems to me they should be charged on the Federal level.
 
http://slingsnarrows.erudite-absurdity.com/archive/002781.html

not seeing it here either.  sorry.

[Habu]

You know Bi-polar people think others can follow their arguments and see what is in their heads.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Steve
88 quit dodging the issue.  You asked if "do you really want to go there"

my answer is YES.


Give me some examples of comparable GOP behavior..

how so?  in my question i asked for an example of what you know to be the worst incident of republican behavior.

[Bodhi]

I answered the question you clueless dolt....

cripes, you want me to read the answer for you?

[JB88]

where sir?

you pointed the finger right at the democrats and skipped right over the hard part.

i asked.  very simply.  do you think the republicans are guilty of "fraud"  

(using the term quite loosely, but not wanting to argue semantics.  for intents and purposes we will forget that fraud means fraudulent and assume it means also means criminal or obstructive.)

if yes, please post what you think is the worst example of such bad behavior.

thats all.

should be pretty easy if you believe that both sides are errant in some capacity or another.

otherwise, you can say, NO they did not and stand by it.  

which is fine by me.

[GreenCloud]

wow..will you join our squad..i would love to fly with you..

[Raider179]

If this is the worst fraud we faced during these elections I think we made out pretty good.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Steve
I do.  Get busy posting  credible stories about where paid employees of the Bush campaign resorted to vadalism and other criminal activities in an effort to stop people from voting.

The war in Iraq is criminal, and they're blowing up innocent would-be voters, in their homes...

Blowing someone up, at home, kind of makes it difficult for them to vote, yes?

[Habu]

You know you may be right about Iraq. Since the terrorists are blowing up people we should probably stop and do want they want.

[Elfie]

It doesnt matter who is slashing who's tires, or who is giving who wrong information during an election, its wrong and those involved need to be punished.

[JB88]

hell yes they do.

every last one of em.

cheaters suck.

[Manedew]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/209165_paulloeb.html

[hawker238]

Originally posted by Steve
88 quit dodging the issue.  You asked if "do you really want to go there"

my answer is YES.


Give me some examples of comparable GOP behavior..

Watergate?