Author Topic: How I learned To Quit Worrying and Love The Propaganda (Read 2907 times)

Raider179 · « **Reply #195 on:** January 30, 2005, 01:23:36 PM »

hypothetical question

What if it were discovered Dan Rather was receiving money from the DNC? Would that be ok with you? It wouldnt be with me.

Raider179 · « **Reply #196 on:** January 30, 2005, 01:24:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
The second wasn't an ad, nor was it paid. It was his writing on his views in his article. He then says how he sees people would be confused, as you obviously are, and he should have disclosed it.

Perhaps you would care to explain what his conflict of interest is then if it is not that he was paid by the administration to tout their views.

Martlet · « **Reply #197 on:** January 30, 2005, 01:29:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
Perhaps you would care to explain what his conflict of interest is then if it is not that he was paid by the administration to tout their views.

The conflict of interest was allowing the DoE to advertise on his program when the advertising was on a subject he covered in his column. The two are independent, but he acknowledged how someone could get the impression they weren't.

Raider179 · « **Reply #198 on:** January 30, 2005, 02:58:56 PM »

So were these ads during his show or during appropiate commercial time? Like when they say we are going to a commercial...Or were they purposely misleading as to trying to trick people into believing they were "part" of his show?

Martlet · « **Reply #199 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:03:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
So were these ads during his show or during appropiate commercial time? Like when they say we are going to a commercial...Or were they purposely misleading as to trying to trick people into believing they were "part" of his show?

The were purchased commercials. Why are you so intent on spinning this into something that it isn't?

rpm · « **Reply #200 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:11:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
I guess if you're point was that I'm right, you've certainly proven it.

I don't blame you for bailing out now.

Bailing out? I guess if you want me to rub your nose in it, I can oblige you.

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Q: Mr. President, do you think it's a proper use of government funds to pay commentators to promote your policies?

BUSH: No.

Q: Are you going to order that ...

BUSH: Therefore I will not pay you to.

Q: Fair enough.

Are you ordering that there be an end...

BUSH: I expect my -- yes, I am. I expect my Cabinet secretaries to make sure that that practice doesn't go forward. There needs to be independence.

And Mr. Armstrong Williams admitted he made a mistake.

And we didn't know about this in the White House. And, you know, there needs to be a nice, independent relationship between the White House and the press and the administration and the press. And so, no, we shouldn't be going forward.

Q: Mr. Williams made a mistake.

BUSH: Who?

Q: Mr. Williams made a mistake. Did the Department of Education make a mistake?

BUSH: Yes, they did.

Q: And what will happen to the people that made this decision?

BUSH: And we've got new leadership going to the Department of Education.

But all our Cabinet secretaries must realize that will not be paying, you know, commentators to advance our agenda. Our agenda ought to be able to stand on its own two feet.

And I'm confident you will be, over the course of the next four years, willing to give our different policies an objective look, won't you?

Yes. I can see that.

Bush agrees with me, I agree with him. You keep saying the links prove your point, but won't show where or how. You keep saying the DOE was running commercials, but show no link to any of these commercials. Were they subliminal? Give it up Martlet. You can't handle the truth and you can't back up your rhetoric.

Raider179 · « **Reply #201 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:15:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
The were purchased commercials. Why are you so intent on spinning this into something that it isn't?

you sure it was only purchased commercials?

That department, through a contract with the public relations firm Ketchum, hired commentator Armstrong Williams to produce ads that featured former Education Secretary Rod Paige and promoted President Bush's No Child Left Behind law. The contract also committed Williams, who is black, to provide media access for Paige and to persuade other black journalists to talk about the law."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/paid.columnists.ap/index.html

Sounds a lot more than just the two commercials. He also agreed to giving time on the air and persuade other black journalists to talk about it. This is blatant propaghanda.

Save your spin talk for Fox.

Martlet · « **Reply #202 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:26:27 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Bailing out? I guess if you want me to rub your nose in it, I can oblige you.

Bush agrees with me, I agree with him. You keep saying the links prove your point, but won't show where or how. You keep saying the DOE was running commercials, but show no link to any of these commercials. Were they subliminal? Give it up Martlet. You can't handle the truth and you can't back up your rhetoric.

The article I quoted PAGES ago said exactly that. The DoE purchased advertising on his radio and television show. Period. Bush agrees with you on the same issue I do. Where we part company is when you start spinning this into something it isn't.

Keep spinning, though. It's fun to watch.

This continuing education provided free of charge.

Raider179 · « **Reply #203 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:29:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
The article I quoted PAGES ago said exactly that. The DoE purchased advertising on his radio and television show. Period.

False look at the above post of mine. He also had other required "duties" of the contract.

Martlet · « **Reply #204 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:30:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
you sure it was only purchased commercials?

That department, through a contract with the public relations firm Ketchum, hired commentator Armstrong Williams to produce ads that featured former Education Secretary Rod Paige and promoted President Bush's No Child Left Behind law. The contract also committed Williams, who is black, to provide media access for Paige and to persuade other black journalists to talk about the law."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/paid.columnists.ap/index.html

Sounds a lot more than just the two commercials. He also agreed to giving time on the air and persuade other black journalists to talk about it. This is blatant propaghanda.

Save your spin talk for Fox.

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Health and Human Services' Horn stressed McManus was not paid to write favorably to about the administration. Still, he said, HHS has now implemented a rule to prohibit the use of outside consultants or contractors who have any connection with the press.

"There's a growing misperception that taxpayers' money is being used to pay columnists to use their position in the media to portray the administration in a positive light," Horn said. "I felt a compelling need to draw a bright line in order to restore the public's confidence that we are not doing that."

Not to me. Save your spin for DU

rpm · « **Reply #205 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:37:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
The article I quoted PAGES ago said exactly that. The DoE purchased advertising on his radio and television show. Period. Bush agrees with you on the same issue I do. Where we part company is when you start spinning this into something it isn't.

Nice try, show me where the money did not influence his work or integrity. Did you miss the part where he was to influence other black journalists or are you just choosing to ignoring it?

Martlet · « **Reply #206 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:40:20 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Nice try, show me where the money did not influence his work or integrity. Did you miss the part where he was to influence other black journalists or are you just choosing to ignoring it?

HA! Yes, I'll show you what he was thinking.

You know your argument is garbage when you start asking for the impossible.

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Raider179 · « **Reply #207 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:41:02 PM »

alright I see now you have no argument because all you do is throw out bs words like spin and provide nothing of substance. I knew I should have stopped responding to you when you started that read my other post crap instead of making your views clear.

And I know you will come back with some lame remark about how dumb i am for not being able to keep up with you or some junk. I am smart enough to stop debating someone who has interest in the topic but only in the argument. Have a good one

Martlet · « **Reply #208 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:42:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
alright I see now you have no argument because all you do is throw out bs words like spin and provide nothing of substance. I knew I should have stopped responding to you when you started that read my other post crap instead of making your views clear.

And I know you will come back with some lame remark about how dumb i am for not being able to keep up with you or some junk. I am smart enough to stop debating someone who has interest in the topic but only in the argument. Have a good one

I don't blame you for bailing. You're right. You're smart enough to leave when you realize your wrong.

Good on you!

Raider179 · « **Reply #209 on:** January 30, 2005, 03:46:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
I don't blame you for bailing. You're right. You're smart enough to leave when you realize your wrong.

Good on you!

See above post. ALso I noticed you pick and choose which information you fight and ignore the other stuff. I see you didnt explain away the other "duties" of williams contract. I do not feel I am wrong but if that makes you feel better about yourself believe what you will about me. I really dont give a ....