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Offline SLO

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« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2005, 04:28:20 AM »
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What do you know about what I want the USA to do about those mullahs in Iran?


well you sure weren't talking about sharing a beer with em

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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2005, 04:31:53 AM »
Highly unlikely since muslims arent supposed drink alcohol. But do tell, what am I saying in these posts about US polcy towards Iran?

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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2005, 04:54:52 AM »
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Now If I write a book, it's going to be full of verifiable facts and logical expressions as they pertain to the actual facts.


That's why I'm looking forward to it so much.
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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2005, 04:55:55 AM »
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Highly unlikely since muslims arent supposed drink alcohol. But do tell, what am I saying in these posts about US polcy towards Iran?


I know about the alcohol...

well since alcohol won't work then maybe splitting a joint with em would:D

you're an open book when it comes to HOW America should DEAL with other countries...

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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2005, 05:23:18 AM »
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You're being dumb.


You want to keep this discussion between you and me civil, or do you want to go down the childish road of insults?

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Iran trying to get nukes is the main reason we would attack them. If Iran didn't have it's nuke program, we would never consider attacking them. Are you sane? When did the US ever threaten Iran before?

The reason Iran will be attacked is BECAUSE they are deleloping nuclear weapons.

And NK getting Nukes is a direct result of Clinton trusting NK and allowing Carter to make a deal with them...trusting them.


Bush has had this hard on for Iran even before we knew of its nuke program. Remember Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech? An argument can be made that the Iranian leadership seeing what happened to Iraq (with our made up WMD charges) and subsequent invasion. If anything, we are forcing Iran's hand to develop nukes. You think NK is going to give up its nukes? No way.
Bush's recent speeches are not sitting well with Iran right now. Absolutely nothing to make them feel safe if they didn't have nukes.
BTW, Iraq will end up falling out of our set-up "democracy" and move into a theocratic "democracy" similar to Iran's. I give it one year after our full withdraw out of Iraq (provided another third party doesn't get involved such as the UN). It will be bloody. Oh yeah, most of the Iraqis hate us.
Try not to get into a "America hating" argument as my prediction is just that, not a wanting on my behalf. Too many innocent American, Allied, and Iraqis have died from this invasion/occupation that just wasn't necessary. A similar invasion and occupation of Iran will be far more costly.  
I'd rather see better Iran/US diplomatic relations. Things don't have to be so black and white.
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2005, 06:25:07 AM »
some people here talk about WWIII as it is something they can
finish it weekends and then live on the next monday like usual.
How far from the reality can you go!?
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« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2005, 06:37:34 AM »
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Bush has had this hard on for Iran even before we knew of its nuke program.  Remember Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech? An argument can be made that the Iranian leadership seeing what happened to Iraq (with our made up WMD charges) and subsequent invasion. If anything, we are forcing Iran's hand to develop nukes.


In the late 1980s, a consortium of companies from Argentina, Germany and Spain submitted a proposal to Iran to complete the Bushehr-1 reactor, but huge pressure by the US stopped the deal. The US pressure also stopped in 1990 Spain's National Institute of Industry and Nuclear Equipment to complete the Bushehr project. Iran also tried, unsuccessfully, to procure components for the Bushehr reactors, but her attempts were blunted by the US. For example, in 1993, Iran tried to acquire eight steam condensers, built by the Italian firm Ansaldo under the Kraftwerk Union contract, but they were seized by the Italian government. The Czech firm Skoda Plzen also discussed supplying reactor components to Iran, but, under the US pressure, negotiations were cancelled in 1994. Iran was also not successful in her attempt to buy nuclear power reactor components from an unfinished reactor of Polland.  We have known about Iran's nuclear ambitions for a few decades.

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BTW, Iraq will end up falling out of our set-up "democracy" and move into a theocratic "democracy" similar to Iran's.
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Oh yeah, most of the Iraqis hate us.
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« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2005, 06:55:51 AM »
Attacking Iran next are we?

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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2005, 08:00:24 AM »
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some people here talk about WWIII as it is something they can
finish it weekends and then live on the next monday like usual.
How far from the reality can you go!?

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2005, 08:56:59 AM »
subaru... I am not afraid of little pissant countries with nukes.. What is the worst they can do?   lower the population of some blue counties in the U.S. before the next election?

As for lada.... I think that his "hairly women who smell like camels all covered in black blankets" fetish is getting the best of him.  

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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2005, 09:44:55 AM »
Preamble:  Lada is ignored, so I got this from Rude's post.

"Its more that clear, that US doesnt have money or power to attack Iran, coz its not 3rd world country. "

Lada, you're a tool.  A dull, and dumb one at that.  

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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2005, 09:54:49 AM »
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You want to keep this discussion between you and me civil, or do you want to go down the childish road of insults?

Bush has had this hard on for Iran even before we knew of its nuke program. Remember Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech? An argument can be made that the Iranian leadership seeing what happened to Iraq (with our made up WMD charges) and subsequent invasion. If anything, we are forcing Iran's hand to develop nukes. You think NK is going to give up its nukes? No way.
Bush's recent speeches are not sitting well with Iran right now. Absolutely nothing to make them feel safe if they didn't have nukes.
BTW, Iraq will end up falling out of our set-up "democracy" and move into a theocratic "democracy" similar to Iran's. I give it one year after our full withdraw out of Iraq (provided another third party doesn't get involved such as the UN). It will be bloody. Oh yeah, most of the Iraqis hate us.
Try not to get into a "America hating" argument as my prediction is just that, not a wanting on my behalf. Too many innocent American, Allied, and Iraqis have died from this invasion/occupation that just wasn't necessary. A similar invasion and occupation of Iran will be far more costly.  
I'd rather see better Iran/US diplomatic relations. Things don't have to be so black and white.


Why blame Bush?

I remember Iran allowing Iraq fighters to be brought into Iran, back in Operation Desert Storm.  

Black and White?  

All I get out of this current endeavor in Iraq is an "often overlooked" realization that the countries pissed off at the US for invading, were the one's PROFITING from Saddam being in POWER.  

Sure, take the p**sy way out and bash Bush.    Don't bash the UN system that allowed this "profiteering" in the first place.   Don't blame the UN for sending weapons inspectors that couldn't find their Mont Blanc pens.   Some of these countries lost some "free money" to cash in on, now that gravytrain isn't around.  

Some of you are so f**king typecast it is pathetic.

Btw, SaburoS, you disgrace Pat Tillman.  

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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2005, 10:58:27 AM »
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We know how Iran must be treated, and I hope America does it right.


Im probably to simple to know it.

Would you be so kind and explain me, how shall be Iran treated ?

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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2005, 10:59:25 AM »
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I really have to wonder which country is bigger threat to world peace: Iran or USA ?
Looks like whole nation should take Prozacs and Valiums and sit down for a while...


LOL :rofl

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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2005, 11:02:41 AM »
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 were the one's PROFITING from Saddam being in POWER.  
 


Do you mean Iran ?
If you realy think, that Iran were profitin from SH goverment, could you explain us how and post some links please.

And be so kind and exclude those 8 years of profit, when Iraq had war with Iran and US supplied weapons to both countries... and  acidentaly shot down Iranian civil airliner.