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Offline JB88

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2005, 06:02:57 PM »
perhaps those who think that preserving the environment is a 'pittance', deserve to pee in thier own water and drink it with a shot of mercury.

its another thing that ive never understood about some people who call themselves "conservatives"

conservation is the ultimate form of conservatism.

maintaining a healty eco-balance is not only essential for the human race and the planet as a whole, but it is just downright sensible and practical.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2005, 06:10:22 PM »
Absolutely JB.

Speaking from a country that will be very underwater if we don't do something I'm concerned. We haven't had real snow here since early1990's. was looking at old photos this weekend with my folks and its scary how little snow we've seen in recent years. We are definately warming up fast.

So my american cousins, please help and scrap those ridiculous gas guzzling 4x4's. Sign up Mr bush before the rest of the world disappears under water!

I'll do my bit by continuing to ride my motorcycle unless the car is absolutely necessary, and running my house as economicaly as poss.

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2005, 06:23:12 PM »
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Do you understand that makes that 13.1% a huuuuge amount compared to other countries?




Well thanks for your condescending math lesson :rolleyes:


Its a flawed treaty and it will NEVER meet its targeted goals.  We may as well sign it and ignore it.  Doing so would put the US in the same company as the vast majority of the current participants.

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2005, 06:56:29 PM »
Warming up fast or a weather cycle?

The artic goes through a 50 year weather cycle that starts by pushing ice out from the center which effects cold and snow cycles around its edges. Currently the 50 year cycle is pushing all of the ice to the center which is causing the north pole ice cap to look like it's shrinking but in reality getting thicker. With the ice not being pushed out and south, land masses closest to the ice cap are not experiencing the meterlogical influences that they did 50 years ago. Or have you forgotten global cooling was the eco-bogyman in the 70's.

The planet is not warming up, thats been debunked. It's all available on the Internet.

Kyoto is about the power to levy taxes on the industrialised nations by the UN for redistribution to the poorer nations and themselves. Take wealth from those who produce it and give it to those who didn't produce the wealth in the first place.  Africa, Inda, west asia and most 3rd world nations produce most of the serious air pollution on the planet because they burn wood or animal waste to heat their food and warm themselves. The perminent brown cloud seen from east africa out over Inda and beyond. The United States can bairly get into the bottom of the top 20 world polluters. The US keeps dropping off the top 20 because the US has and does clean its air quality very effectivly.

Guzzling gas is not an indicator of air pollution. US EPA requirments for SUV type vehicals keep the pollution down. There are not a significant number of non-compliant SUV or crappy 4x4's in this country to be a pollution problem. Motorcycles pollute more than cars because they aren't required to have the same anti-pollution devices on board. Gas wise they are cheeper than a car.

In the 80's and 90's the eco-bogyman of global warming led us to beleive the ice caps would melt and flood the coasts. Yes the ice caps look smaller at this moment, but water level worldwide does not reflect water levels rising in proportion to the current ice cap visual shrinkage. Where then did the ice go?

In the last 100,000 years humans have been no competition as airpolluters to volcanos. We cover the planet but with all of our cars, industry and fires, we have never in one week of operation caused a 6 year winter or killed half the worlds population due to starvation from failed crops world wide. Global warming from pollution,,,Mt. St Helen, Pinitubu and all of those volcanos in mexico last century. They shot out more air pollution than mankind in the last 5000 years.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2005, 07:01:33 PM »
i seem to recall some rednecks across the way making the exact same arguements about the junk in thier yard.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2005, 07:11:01 PM »
Monaco is failing the Kyoto treaty? Must be all those heavy industries like steel we see the millionaires race around once a year.

Man I'm gonna give that Prince Rainier a proper slapping the next time I see him.

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2005, 07:13:17 PM »
Yeah but when a rich fat cat's car broke down in front of my shack and he got to looking at the junk in my yard he said, son, do you know what you got sitting there under your bum? I said, well yes and no. Depends on how big the check you write for it is. I just didn't tell him they buried the whole squadron of those fitters from the dubbia dubbia number 2 in my potato feild. Think I should????:)
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2005, 07:17:46 PM »
lol.  i was thinking more along the lines of cars on blocks.

in response to your question.

were i a bad man i might say...

"as your attorney i would strongly advise toward committing any such facts to published writing of any kind."

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as a good man i might sell it all for scrap iron, they dig it out, they own it.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2005, 07:44:56 PM »
We need to be carefull of the end of the world histeria. Global warming due to humans may be the reason we are not covered in a 1 mile deep sheet of ice sleeping with mega fana right now.

http://www.co2andclimate.org/wca/2004/wca_31a.html
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2005, 09:19:29 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2005, 11:41:34 PM »
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We need to be carefull of the end of the world histeria. Global warming due to humans may be the reason we are not covered in a 1 mile deep sheet of ice sleeping with mega fana right now.

http://www.co2andclimate.org/wca/2004/wca_31a.html
Well if Western Fuels Association Inc and their coal-powered electricity generating members say global warming is good for us, I guess it must be legit. OK, crisis over: that is a relief.
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2005, 11:46:32 PM »
Ahh here come the Chinese to defend Kyoto,  hillarious.  And he has the gall to question the motives of another interst group...

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2005, 11:50:47 PM »
Hiya Krush!!
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2005, 12:30:41 AM »
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Ahh here come the Chinese to defend Kyoto,  hillarious.  And he has the gall to question the motives of another interst group...

:rofl :rofl :rofl
I don't particularly defend Kyoto - I'm of the opinion that Kyoto is far too limited. Its one redeeming feature is that it is at least a start.

And let's not forget if China were as "clean" and developed as the US, it would be a much much worse polluter than it is at the moment.

According to the US DoE:
"In 2001, the United States had a per capita energy consumption of 341.8 million Btu, greater than 5.2 times the world's per capita energy consumption and slightly over 11 times China's per capita consumption. Per capita carbon emissions are similar to energy consumption patterns, with the United States emitting 5.5 metric tons of carbon per person, the world on average 1.1 metric tons, and China 0.6 metric tons of carbon per person."
 
At present China produces less CO2 than the US, despite having four times the population.

All things being equal it should contribute 20% of the world's pollution, what with being about 20% of the population. It currently contributes 13% CO2. The US is about 5% of the world's population: it currently contributes 24% of the CO2.

Does that mean that China should strive to be as clean as the US, and aim to produce 100% of the CO2?
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