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Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2005, 01:32:34 PM »
Some laggy stuff on that film also.
Shows Levi going from 60ish to 200+ and back to 60 in less than a second, happens at least twice.
Would assume the lag is on your end?
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2005, 02:50:54 PM »
Did I say that the film proved him as a cheater? No. I just couldn't believe the way he could outzoom me right after I droped maybe 1000ft on him in a similar plane.

Your description fits our fight perfectly btw. We were spiralling up in a zoomclimb looking at eachothers virtual cockpits in the direct up view. Only it ended very differently from what I thought.

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2005, 03:03:42 PM »
Nobody has really answered my question. Which was "should the MKV be capable of manuevers like that?"

Obviously, Levi kicks ass, he's not a cheater. He's just pushing the FM to the ragged edge and beyond.

Could a real MKV swap ends like that at 150mph or less?

The diagram here shows maximum cornering of about 35 dps. This equates to just over 5 seconds for a 180 degree turn. Levi is undeniably doing much better than that.




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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2005, 03:10:02 PM »
All he's doing is managing his speed and angles a little better, no mystery to it.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2005, 03:32:28 PM »
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Did I say that the film proved him as a cheater? No. I just couldn't believe the way he could outzoom me right after I droped maybe 1000ft on him in a similar plane.

Your description fits our fight perfectly btw. We were spiralling up in a zoomclimb looking at eachothers virtual cockpits in the direct up view. Only it ended very differently from what I thought.


Whoops....

My bad....misread what you wrote...my apologies.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2005, 03:33:59 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
he's not a cheater everyone knows you can't cheat in this game.



do not let your faith blind you by ASSUMING stupidity...

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2005, 03:36:19 PM »
He had folks wondering the same thing, and some thinking he 'cheated' back in AW when he'd whip everyone in the AW P38J first in RR and then in FR.

Nothing new here, just more evidence he know's what he's doing.  If you get the chance sometime, wing with Lev.  It's an eye opener.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2005, 03:37:13 PM »
Goob...

Levi never ever never ever fights flat...he's always going up or down. Also if he's turning and going left his rudder is going right:)...in effect the plane is rotating tumbling and stalling thru turns...at the very edge it seems like your spinning but your still "flying"....every once in awhile I'll get there...but levi lives there it seems. The planes nose will "fall" thru a turn much faster than the plane flys a circle....

Thats what your "seeing"...the plane isnt flying a "circle"...its doing something else....

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2005, 03:46:12 PM »
HAX!

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2005, 03:53:32 PM »
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do not let your faith blind you by ASSUMING stupidity...

gee don't be so cryptic spit it out.  I say the game can't be cheated.  I also say that Levi is not a cheater and neither is anyone else.

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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2005, 03:55:43 PM »
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All he's doing is managing his speed and angles a little better, no mystery to it.


yes there is mystery or we'd all fly like him
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2005, 04:03:43 PM »
Who's this Levi fellow you speak of?
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2005, 04:14:26 PM »
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Nobody has really answered my question. Which was "should the MKV be capable of manuevers like that?"

Obviously, Levi kicks ass, he's not a cheater. He's just pushing the FM to the ragged edge and beyond.

Could a real MKV swap ends like that at 150mph or less?

The diagram here shows maximum cornering of about 35 dps. This equates to just over 5 seconds for a 180 degree turn. Levi is undeniably doing much better than that.

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I was watching film 3 times, and I couldn't see anything "unusual".

After long rolling scissors, he just stalled (well, more of controlled stall) his spit at about 60mph at the top of scissors. Full aileron and rudder, good throttle control and nose went around pretty quickly.

To an extent, all planes can do that, more or less, spit 5 being particulary (and especially Leviathn) good at that.

It's very similar to what people here mistakenly call hammerhead, basically you almost stall on the top and reverse on the spot.

It can be tricky to do it because you have to reverse before  complete loss of control occurs (often at speeds of about 50-60mph).

Good pilots like Levi can do that several times in succession in single fight. Commonly seen in DA, not as often in MA.


PS. WTG to those three cherry pickers who were buzzing around Levi and you. What would MA be without them :D

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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2005, 04:24:08 PM »
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Who's this Levi fellow you speak of?
Isn't he member of the same club as you?

Knitting Ladies or somethin' is called, I think...

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2005, 04:31:41 PM »
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