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Offline JB73

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« on: March 15, 2005, 07:12:36 PM »
ok i am finally going to ask for help.

it has gotten to the point where i am getting worse the more i fly.

i have attached 3 AHF files of recent sorties...

all three i die a miserable death because i can not evade the con on my 6.

all three i miss what i think or hope should be easy shots all over the place.

4.35 MB zip file of the 3 films


please some of you better sticks watch them, and give me time points of what you think i did wrong.

ps. in the dora flight with the la7 on me i was hopind to do a barrel roll overshoot, but couldn't pull it off. that move PIS### me off some days i can do it, especially offline, but in combat i fudge it up every time.

i know im a pathetic excuse for a dogfighter
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2005, 07:53:32 PM »
Well w/o watching the films, 1 thing I know. If a pilot who has ANY clue and is on your 6, it can be difficult to shake regardless. From the 1st film, it looks like you just flew into a bad situation. You didn't have enough speed and had to fight the spits on their terms.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2005, 08:00:48 PM »
mere words alone can't express how badly i fly nowadays.

is it time to give in and give up? i will never be a top rated dogfighter, and setteling for bottom of the barrel is too distasteful for me.


3 more sorties, i wont bother posting the films, all 3 deaths not a single kill.


dora, spent all my cannons (down to 110 left, not a kill or damage to enemy plane).



something in me tells me there is no hope to make me "better". gunnery is a trait, it has been discussed a quadrillion billion zillion times. i DONT have whatever it is to shoot right. i dont get it mentally. to shoot i have to be zoomed in, and take every ounce of my brain to make the shot, and i miss it 95% of the time (hit % less than 5% usually around 3-4%)

it is actually worse than that because i artificalyl "pad" my hit % by going full into a bomber wasting every last round on a hit to pop him even if i die 90% of the bulltes on him hit.... thus im really down around 1-2% hit in fighters VS fighters.


all my convergences are set to 300 all guns. i actually went offline and manually set them for every plane even though i fly LW only in my squad.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2005, 08:08:01 PM »
If I were you, I'd visit the TA and DA. Some very good sticks in both those arena that nobodies realizes. I believe gunnery can be improved. When I started (4 months ago:) I couldnt hit anything. Now after constant duels and training I feel very confident when I aim. I'm not sure how long you've been playing and how use you are to the planes you fly. But I've flown the same plane for basically these four months. I know ballistics, speed, how far I can push it till stall and how to fight different aircraft in it. I'd recommend sticking with 1 aircraft, taking it to TA and DA, practice dogfightin, BnZ , everything till you know it inside and out. It really helps. I think anyone can improve if they're willing to put the time and frustration into practicing and failing over and over and over....I did:P
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2005, 08:46:30 PM »
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all my convergences are set to 300 all guns. i actually went offline and manually set them for every plane even though i fly LW only in my squad.


maybe it's simply that the LW ride(s) aren't for you...

maybe you'd do better in some other plane/style.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2005, 10:20:06 PM »
I really didnt see anything really wrong with your flying.  The only thing I saw in your films that is different than the best sticks in the game is this..........

You dont control your encounters.  

You can take only take some of the blame on yourself, because (and I do this alot myself) you dont think ahead in your moves.  After watching some of the better guys fight I've drawn the best analogy I can for myself, and thats to Pool (9 ball actually, but it works with any variation).  You have to learn to look not only at your opening move, but where will it leave you if you are successful?  How many other guys are right there who's attention will be drawn to you once you come in icon range of them?  And I know this sounds cold but, how many of your own countrymen are there to draw their attention away from you while you reposition?  

Yes the mechanics of the fight have been gone over ..........and over ...........and over.............  But the mechanics of what makes a good fighter pilot sometimes get lost in the mix.  You fly german iron, you should remember the basic rules of engagement by Erich Hartmann.

See
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Attack
Coffee Break

They also have been discussed into the ground, but we get so caught up in the discussion of the 1v1 that we just include the other guys up there as a peripheral thing, or an inevitable "fly in the ointment".  If you look at them as part of the overall strategy though, you will be much more successfull.

Really.  Your gunnery is good.  There are better, but there always will be.  You have a good grasp on lead.  You land shots in your lead turns, and many people cant.  Your maneuvers are smooth, you dont overdo the G's (except by accident, and we all have lapses sometimes when the adrenaline starts to pump).  What I am saying is, yes you have probably plateaued as far as skills goes, now its time to work on your entrance and exit strategies, work on your overall awareness of the battle around you, not just your target.  Beyond that, learn the limits of the planes you fly against.  If you know how far the guy can push that Hellcat (or whatever), you know when its time to bug out and get some separation.

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2005, 02:33:24 AM »
film6: bad decisions got you killed. After you killed the F6F, you flew towards a pack of sea planes with only 250mph and 0 alt. All of those planes had the E to catch you - not a good situation against sea planes when in a 109. Your second mistake was continuing to fly towards the gaggle after that first spit in-in'd you. You should have broken into him and forced the fight away from the horde instead of flying straight.

film7: more bad decisions. The first time you flew right towards the cv low and slow with a gaggle coming out of it... inadvisable. You don't need to grab much, 3k is fine if puffy ack bothers you (sure does me..), 4-5k is generally best. When you died the last time, you didn't cut throttle until you were already vertical. By that time, the spit already had a gun solution and it didn't do any good. You should have cut throttle and ruddered a bit before going into the spiral. I would have cut throttle and banked right a little, rudder left the whole time, THEN gone vertical for a bit of a spiral. A spit might kill you anyway, but at least it'll be a bit more difficult of a shot.

I also noticed that you're shooting from too far away, and taking shots that will at best do superficial damage if they hit at all. You were opening up when the range hit 400, which I think can be anything from 500-300.. not sure on that. Regardless, LW guns have piss-poor velocity out that far, particularly on a dead 6 shot, and will only hurt if you hit a LOT (best of luck to you... I'm shooting 18% right now even with thousands of missed bb's used to make people turn, and I can't kill a damn thing with LW cannon from 400 out). 90 degree deflection or maybe a guy on auto-level and you'll do some damage. I usually don't bother shooting unless I can completely take a plane out. Superficial damage (aileron, etc) only makes people run. I'd rather people assume I'm using no tracers and am a lousy shot. Whenever possible, I don't shoot LW guns until the icon hits 200.

film8: Broken record here... bad decisions. You were burning E going for shots that probably won't hit, and definitely won't kill with. By me, the dora isn't worth flying if you're gonna be attacking anything under 450mph. Getting low in a gaggle like that is just silly. Either hope your targets don't break (don't see you) or break too late, or predict which way they'll break. I'd attack in a dora like I do in a 262.. never have someone who's paying attention in my sights when attacking. I guess which way they're going to turn, throttle back a little (stressing little for a dora), and have them offset to the right or left of my canopy for a slow plane, or between my nose and wing for something fast.

As for how you died... you waited until the LA was too close before breaking. For that type of break to work, you either need to be a lot slower, have a plane that turns better, or start it earlier. That's how I generally reverse when I figure the other guy for a noob and don't want to do something fancy, and I try not to start the turn any closer than d800 if the other guy is only a few mph faster. You made the right choice extending that far to avoid being completely ganged, but the good decisions ended there. 190's are hard to keep up with in a flat scissor, so chop your throttle and go nuts, and shoot him up when he overshoots.


edit: I didn't read SOA's post until going over mine, and Hartmann's tactics will work perfectly in a dora. 109's... not so much. With everyone in the MA flying around at full throttle, it isn't practical (or much fun) trying to fly like that - the 109 doesn't fly so well above 450mph ;) You definitely need to pick your fights better, especially since you fly LW. When you're one of the only people on your team in icon range, and there are 20 reds, you probably don't want to make yourself a target for them. If you want to fly 109's against a gaggle, keep E on them. I like to make half-assed attacks through gaggles at full throttle (and wep when it won't lawndart me) and try to hit something while compressed. However, my goal isn't to kill anything in the dive... it's to get some of the idiots to follow me vertical (if you dive on a big gaggle, there's bound to be at least 1 willing idiot) so I can pop them from safety as they dangle. That'll work in a dora as well, just be careful and don't get too aggressive in your dive.. don't wanna bleed your E and let something outzoom you.


OK, sleep time.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2005, 02:42:33 AM »
I go through the same periods, when I feel totally helpless in the skies.

My main goal atm is to raise the level of my lowest performance, not to increase the level of my highest performance.

Ive found a few reasons to my slumbs.

1. Mental tiredness.

Somedays your not as fresh in the head as other days. For dogfighting one really needs to be very fresh mentally. When I feel a bit tired in the head but still feel like playing AH I wana play I focus on JABOs.

I play to have fun and flying when doing tons of mental mistakes aint much fun.

Still some days I do wana dogfight or I get into situations where I have to dogfight even though Im mentally tired. What I do then is I go back to basics and fly more conservative then normally.

Its important to not become passive just because you fly more conservativly.

What I do when I fly more conservativly is that I always go for a little bit extra altitude. My biggest problem especially when not focused or when frustrated from bad performance (usually these go hand in hand) is I get sloppy with E management. I dont bring enough to the fight and I waste it. So I do get a bit extra alt.

I only engage high targets and dont follow low.

2. Fighting big furballs.

When one isnt doing too well one tends to get with the hoard. This is really bad because with the hoard there is sooo much planes in the air putting a much higher demand on your positioning and SA.

When I get into a slumb I do break away from the bigger furballs and go for small dar bars.

Most of the time I even go for unattacked bases. I basicly grab a cup of coffe and hang in the radar of the unattacked base. This usually results in 1 or 2 enemies upping and after a while another few countrymen showing up creating nice small fights.

The good thing about smaller fights is that they are soo much more forgiving on the SA and in fight positioning, hence allowing you to focus more on your ACMs and gunnery. You get more time to make the shot and if you get out of position its not such a big deal as there arnt 10 other enemies there waiting to chew you up.

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2005, 02:53:38 AM »
I agree with wetrat that the core of it is just making some poor decisions.

Where I think that comes from is a bit of weak SA. You went quite a while without checking your 6 in those films. It didn't seem to do you much harm in the fights I saw, but it would have helped all the same. The sooner you see someone turn toward  your 6 the longer you're going to have to figure out what evasive you want to do, and the more you're going to know about their E state.

If you're lookin for new moves I recommend you start practicing your lag roll. You'll find a nice lag roll in one of yucca's recent p47 films. You seem to set up most of your reversals with a hard break turn, and by the time you cut back in the guy was already well out of a suitable position for getting a shot. You have the better roll rate, so use it to keep his aot close to yours for a quicker kill after the overshoot.

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2005, 07:14:36 AM »
Gunnery is learned, gunnery can also go to heck in a hurry if you forget where you came from or what works.

Get back to the basics.

If your not flying & shooting every day you might be rusty. In which case 5 min offline shooting at drones before you head for the main makes a huge diff.

Are you jumping around from this plane to that? Never really remembering what it takes to make any one of them work?

Flying LW birds will make you crazy.  Its a proven scientific fact, accept it.

Seriously the German guns are probably the hardest in the game to master. With the RAF Hispano's the easiest.

Quit worrying about how much ammo its taking. It takes what it takes.

After all, if you end up dead it doesn't really matter does it? And if holding that burst for another quarter of a second makes the difference between him dieing, and you dieing, isn't it better to live?

Worry about ammo AFTER he's dead. Till he's gone he's your # 1 problem, he can have it ALL if thats what it takes.

Once your back on top ammo conservation can come back. But its one of my  own biggest problems. Don't let that monkey get a grip.  He'll ride you like a bronc rider.

Don't get buck fever! Relax, be confident, you can DO this. Just take the time to set it up and do it right.


Slumps, we've all had em, some are little hiccups, some are the grand canyon. To get around these your going to have to back track a bit.

You may find that jumping to a new plane will help. As it forces you to rethink everything you do. Forces you to relearn how to get positions, then shoot & win.

If you need help the Trainers Corp is here to do just that.  You may have to wait a bit but eventually one of us will pop into the TA and can help you work this thing out.

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2005, 08:21:58 AM »
73,
you either have not been playing as much as you have in the past, you hit a "qualified slump" or  have reached a plataeu in your experience level.

I sum it up as a Qualified slump!

I have seen and fought you in the past. And you did quiet well, and I myself as well as everyone else that flys flight sims get in slumps, that includes Shane, Leviathn, Drex or any other one of them Top of the Apple Tree Dog Fightin players.

I do not think your skills have reached their limit.  This slump will pass, just as they have before. sometimes though a true qualified slump will make you feel like you have peaked and if you let the frustration get to you, it will play with your mind and take twice as long to get back in the right state of mind.

wetrat had good observations and feedback for your films, pellik as well. Ghosth pointed out a very good thing to remember, when ever you feel like you are at a stumbling point, go back to the basics and retrace your steps til you figure out what is  blocking you, most times it is something so simple you'll laugh at yourself when you figure it out.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2005, 11:28:18 AM »
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I play to have fun and flying when doing tons of mental mistakes aint much fun.

What I do when I fly more conservativly is that I always go for a little bit extra altitude. My biggest problem especially when not focused or when frustrated from bad performance (usually these go hand in hand) is I get sloppy with E management. I dont bring enough to the fight and I waste it. So I do get a bit extra alt.


Had one of those nights myself just a couple nights ago.  Everything going wrong, hard time focusing during climb-out and in between fights ............... led me to not noticing enemy fighters until it was too late to make the decision to engage or not.  Also led me to being very frustrated, and making really bad decisions when I did engage.  Finally Morpheus and his wingie handed me my butt 3 times in a row due to really REALLY avoidable situations (not that they wouldnt have anyway, but its embarassing when you dont even make a fight of it), and I called it quits and went to bed.

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2005, 01:10:16 PM »
I am by no means a good fighter pilot so I am in no position to critique your films. However I have been playing online games long enough and have been on earth long enough to understand what happens in a slump.

You start out with not seeing what you are used to seeing (Winning). So you try harder and stretch and press your luck because you want that winning feeling back. As the others have said you begin to make poor decisions because you are frustrated.

If you let this go on too long then you may be fooling yourself into thinking that you need to change everything. Maybe Im aiming too high, maybe too low. Maybe the plane is no good, maybe I got something wrong with my computer.

Your confidence is shattered, failure feeds on your emotions and therefore you slump continues. One good piece of advice came from the guy that said that maybe you should step back a little, have a cup of coffee and just try to relax and get into smaller skirmishes. This is what I do when I start to feel that I am in a slump.

The longer you let this continue the harder it is to get back out of it. The key in my opinion is to know thyself. The sooner you recognize that you are in a slump and take a breather the easier it is to get back.

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2005, 01:52:30 PM »
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I am by no means a good fighter pilot so I am in no position to critique your films. However I have been playing online games long enough and have been on earth long enough to understand what happens in a slump.

You start out with not seeing what you are used to seeing (Winning). So you try harder and stretch and press your luck because you want that winning feeling back. As the others have said you begin to make poor decisions because you are frustrated.

If you let this go on too long then you may be fooling yourself into thinking that you need to change everything. Maybe Im aiming too high, maybe too low. Maybe the plane is no good, maybe I got something wrong with my computer.

Your confidence is shattered, failure feeds on your emotions and therefore you slump continues. One good piece of advice came from the guy that said that maybe you should step back a little, have a cup of coffee and just try to relax and get into smaller skirmishes. This is what I do when I start to feel that I am in a slump.

The longer you let this continue the harder it is to get back out of it. The key in my opinion is to know thyself. The sooner you recognize that you are in a slump and take a breather the easier it is to get back.


I've always found that I can use my slumps to learn new ways to enjoy the game. Every few months my flying will pretty much go to ****, and all my tricks seem to get countered before I start em. Sometimes it's just me, but sometimes it's the MA adapting to me. Why it makes the game fun again is that it gives you the opportunity to find new ways to fly your plane. I've gone through at least a half dozen completely different styles of fighting in the 38, each suited to different trends in the MA. For example, when I first started fighting in the 38 I learned how to fight well nose down. This allowed me to jump into the p47 and have some good fights. People started bringing better E burners then spits, and I found I couldn't kill anymore. From there I went into the reversal fights, and eventually people learned how to cut throttle and/or break off early to avoid burning E for the shot. I got bored with watching people break off every attack so I switched to aggressive verticle knife fighting. People started packing more E in the fights so I switched into verticle overshoots. People stopped pressing in the verticle so I switched to rolling evasives, which allowed me to win a decent % of my 1 v manys. I could keep going, but the more recent I get the harder I find it is to express my moves.

So to recap, use the slumps as an opportunity to try something different. If nothing that you do works anymore you've got nothing to lose by mixing it all up and doing something new and crazy.

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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2005, 05:34:29 PM »
thanks for the comments...

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no truer words spoken LOL

i wil say when trying for a shot, if i look to the side i lose all line of the lead, and usualy can't overcome. i just can't mentally work through it, and that is what probably makes me not look 6 as much as others. i gnerally have a mental picture of what the planes i can not see are doing, you can tell what some planes in general are going to do after a few years in the MA.

cc on breaking earlier when the LA was chasing, i just wanted to be far enough from that f6f (IIRC that's what it was chasing about 3k back). if i got slow fast, and made the LA overshoot the f6f would cherry me i thought. i was hoping to do a fast manuever just to get 1.5K seperation from the LA and run home. i had the reserve WEP to make him chase em a long while, and with trimming properly the dora can go a wee bit faster in a flat run (not faster than the LA but faster than on normal auto-pilot)

shooting:

i find it very diffucult to get much closer than D400 without overshooting, or running into the other plane. if im in a dora (which is my 80% usual ride) i can zoom closer, and wip past, in that 109E speed was not there to zoom up to a plane. i only fly the Emil at capped bases, because it can really suprise seafires, and turn inside them.

the 205 i flew is my other "main" ride for a twisty fight.

i will try to get in closer to shoot, but if i start running into plane parts like i usually do i'll have to back off again LOL when shooting i try and "feel" when the icon is going to change from 400-200 and shoot then (which should be 299 yards if i understand the icon system properly) thats right at convergence, and should maximize the shot theroitically.

tequila, yes i have not been playing AH much lately. i used to log 70 hours easy in a tour, now im down to 30-40.

this has got to be a slump, but it sure seems like the worst and longest i have ever been in. heck a few months ago i held a k/d above 2.9 IIRC for a tour. the best i have ever done. now i am lucky to be 1.5


oh well off to fly and try
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