the armed teacher

[Seeker]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Norway has an even higher amount of weapons in private ownership than america (per capita), yet there are almost no shootings at all. Therefore the problem is not the guns.. it has to run deeper than that, and you have to start in another end to solve the problem.

Bowling for Columbine alert!

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Replicant
Good post Lazerus.

Why, thank you, sir
 

Originally posted by Replicant
As for people having opinions on why the USA have guns, well, it's the same as USA having opinions on why other countries don't have guns (i.e. lack of understanding of why guns are banned in some countries).  It's all to do with culture!

Hell, most people I know, myself included, really couldn't care less what citizens of other countries choose to do with their right (yes I still believe it is a right) to own firearms. I really think that is the opinion of most, if not all, of the American posters in here. Just don't tell us what we should (or shouldn't) be doing.

The easiest response to any anti-firearm statement is Switzerland. They seem to be doing Ok with mandatory firearm (I think?) ownership.

Other than the easiest, the best is that it's our decision to make.

If you live here and feel that firearms should be illegal, I'll pay for a ticket to your country of choice:D

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Seeker
Bowling for Columbine alert!

I have only bowled one time in my life and i hated it. Very dull "sport" indeed.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Nilsen
I have only bowled one time in my life and i hated it. Very dull "sport" indeed.

Lot's of beer.

Large amounts of beer.

Mass quantities of beer.

Any of those three elements will improve your bowling experience.


Of course, rented shoes. How can you beat rented shoes for a good time.


Sheesh, some people.

[Excel1]

PHOENIX - All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives — including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday

If a few stressed-out prozac popping armed teachers go nuts, what then ?

Excel

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Lazerus
Lot's of beer.

Large amounts of beer.

Mass quantities of beer.

Any of those three elements will improve your bowling experience.


Of course, rented shoes. How can you beat rented shoes for a good time.


Sheesh, some people.

Pool is alot more fun to do drunk, or crocket in the summer. Nothing beats playing AH drunk tho.. cause you fly so much better when you are drunk...it improves you skills alot.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Norway has an even higher amount of weapons in private ownership than america (per capita), yet there are almost no shootings at all. Therefore the problem is not the guns.. it has to run deeper than that, and you have to start in another end to solve the problem.

heh... they say theres enough guns in Åland to give a gun for all the people living there (registered+unregistered guns).
Thats quite well for a demilitarized zone

It's a big outcry if an unarmed army chopper flies to Åland, but also a big cry if someone points out they got more weapons than people

[Leslie]

A teacher having a gun at school might not be a good idea.  In HS anyway, there are machismo types who will harrass a teacher.  I'm talking fisticuffs and keying teachers' cars and all.  And those are just the good ol boy rednecks.  It's unknown if they would back off from a gun.

It would be a lot better to be able to physically retaliate without using a gun and without being sued with job loss.  The teachers need respect and support from the parents of these students.

One time when I was in HS, one of my frat brothers was surrounded by about 30 others in the school parking lot and they were going to beat him up.  He didn't do anything to them to provoke that.  It was racial strife. Another student, Zooman, ran to his car and returned with a sawed off double barrel.  That dispersed the crowd quickly without a shot being fired.  Now Zooman was no angel, but I never heard of him ever shooting anyone.  He saved my fraternity brother from bodily harm  is what he did.


Les

[Suave]

Originally posted by Fishu
I don't think thats any more viable option..
Anyone with a gun could easily overcome two armed guards at the school.
Somehow I doubt people (well, the state) is interested to pay for a few trained guards for each school.

Two armed guards aren't really for much more than for the show.
A student with a gun could easily shoot them both and they wouldn't even know what happened.

Not if they knew how to do their jobs. Of course, police aren't trained to do that job. Poper building security consists of consentric circles of protection. Private and government facilities have been doing it well for decades.

Hell, modern hospitals do it.

The very basics would be to put a physical barrier on the perimeter so that all entrance and exit traffic would have to go through gates. Then firearm detectors at the building entrances. A  security camera monitoring station. Photo ID's need to be shown to get in. The photo ID itself is not so important, but it give the guard a moment to do a quick visual assesment of the person.  Yeah it's expensive, and people would rather spend their money on gas for their SUVs than safety for their children.

Like I said, most modern city hospitals allready have this type of basic security. Don't believe me? Try walking into a hospital with a gun hidden on you and see how far you get.

But yeah, two armed guards who would otherwise be working at the local mall is just a token force, and a waste of money.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Leslie
A teacher having a gun at school might not be a good idea.  

"Okay Billy, what's the capital of North Dakota?"

"Pierre?"

"Wrong, Billy." Blam!

"Do you know the answer Suzi?"

"Gulp..."

[Fishu]

Suave,

yes... of course you can do that when you can afford lots of guards.
But the question is once again back to the funding.

Big schools might afford it, but there are lots of smaller schools around.

[Leslie]

I suppose that was meant to be amusing Holden, but I'm afraid you have taken my quote out of context somewhat.  Good thing you're not a teacher, is all I can glean from your response.





Les

[Holden McGroin]

I'm an advocate of classroom discipline, Leslie, and be sure to do your homework if you ever want to see your little sister again.

[Leslie]

The classroom discipline comes from the students' respect I believe.  And love of the subject.  I'm not a school teacher, but I have been a student, and I remember the days when I was in HS.  I respected and worked hard for my teachers, always did my homework, especially Physics class which was my favorite.  I was several chapters ahead on my own at the end of the year, made an A for the course, and was given a two week vacation from class along with everyone else who passed Senior year.

I remember one time the Physics teacher gave us an optional weekend project.  It was a tough calculus problem, and I don't think the teacher had an answer himself.  Just so happened I was visiting my brother that weekend and I showed it to him, and he worked out the problem in ten minutes.  

On Monday I came back to school and handed in the problem and solution.  It was satisfying to me because the teacher said, "How did you figure this out?"  I never told him my brother figured it out.



Les  

[Curval]

What we need here is opinions from teachers.

Two sides of the spectrum would be interesting:

1.  Kieran..a conservative gun toting manly Christopher Lowell look-alike

2.  banana..a liberal Ron Jeremy worshipper.

Unfortunately they aren't around here anymore.