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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2005, 11:08:10 AM »
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Armed guards at the Post Office?!  Not where I come from I can assure you.


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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2005, 12:53:51 PM »
Another thread on guns!!!!

Boy is this board getting repetitive.
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« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2005, 02:23:06 PM »
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Boy is this board getting repetitive.



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« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2005, 02:59:09 PM »
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Norway has an even higher amount of weapons in private ownership than america (per capita), yet there are almost no shootings at all. Therefore the problem is not the guns.. it has to run deeper than that, and you have to start in another end to solve the problem.


I did not realise that Nilsen, thanks for that info. :)

Also, Switzerland and Canada have a higher per capita ownership of firearms than the US does. They also have alot lower incidents of shootings.
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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2005, 03:05:12 PM »
Must be a cultural thing...as has been pointed out by many Americans on this site.

Of course by cultural the meaning usually refers to all of the minorities who do all the gun crime.
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« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2005, 05:48:06 PM »
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I'm a teacher Curv...but being a conservative, religious, gun-toting whacko...I'm not sure everyone wants to hear my opinion.

Oh well...you're going to get it anyway.  
The fly-in-the-buttermilk for that argument is that the police are, themselves, nothing more than armed civilians.  If they can successfully complete training that prepares them to respons to danger, why can't teachers?  If some highly-trained teachers were allowed to do double duty as armed guards, there would be little need to go to the added expense of hiring armed guards.


I'm also a high school teacher, and I agree with this.  Don't make arming teachers mandatory, but let the ones who want to avail themselves of training, regularly scheduled qualification shoots, etc., carry concealed at school.  Only the principal (and school resource police officer if there is one) should know who the armed teachers are.  That way, students or others wouldn't assume that every teacher was armed.  (It would just be the ones who never took off thier suit coats....).
We already have lock-down drills, evacuations drills, etc., but what good will these do if the crazy kid pops up IN your classroom?  "Excuse me Johnny, but I need to call the office and tell them to start the "armed person on campus drill" - would you wait with your AK-47 over in the corner while I call?  Oh, and get your homework out while you're at it,please."
Having been a teacher for the last 16+ years, I know as well as anybody that there are some teachers that I would never want to see armed.  These types, however, could be weeded out in the qualification process.
There are already teachers with CCW permits (admittedly, in a mainly Liberal profession they are in the minority) - why not let them exercise their rights while at school also?  Does anybody really think that Mr. Jones would blow a kid away just because he forgot his homework?  or mouthed off in class?  Most CCW holders have already proven themselves to be a little bit more responsible than the average person, because they have taken the time to get licensed, and also accepted the awesome responsibilites that one accepts when choosing to take charge of the saftey for himself and/or loved ones.
Ok, next person's turn.......
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« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2005, 06:03:25 PM »
Shuckins.  If that will prevent further school shootings then I am all in favour.  But I do recognise that my opinion is worthless in any respect.

The teachers though must be fully qualified and fully versed in firearm saftey and ability..in other words it would probably have to become a required "skill" to qualify as a teacher.  Agreed?  Just being an average gun owner is not sufficient when dealing in public schools with children aged say 8-18 years old in my opinion.

Again, if it works and does the job..I'm all in favour.

Here's the thing though.  It will just take one accident, one disarming of an armed teacher resulting in another large number of fatlities, one wacko teacher (in a country of 300 million) to invalidate the argument that teachers should be armed in  your own lawmakers minds.  (You know..those nasty liberal types)

Maybe you and lazs are right.  Maybe America needs to turn to an Israeli style modus operendi in terms of daily threats of violence and the need for all sorts of weapons being carried for protection by teachers, doctors lawyers, housewives...everybody.

Whatever works man...I'm in.  (Excepting the fact that it really doesn't matter anyway, as usual, because I am not American)
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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2005, 06:36:23 PM »
I don't have a problem with allowing teachers that have been screened and thoroughly trained to carry concealed on campus. Having been in the environment I know that there would be fairly few to take up the option and I am absolutley cetain that if they became known, others on the faculty would give them unholy h*ll for it. The teaching profession is about as left sided an organization as I have ever known and that is in Arizona, not Massachusettes.

Having been in the position of locking a classroom down on an alert it was no comfort to be stuck in a locked classroom, one exit and no way to defend the class or myself.
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« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2005, 06:42:12 PM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"Okay Billy, what's the capital of North Dakota?"

"Pierre?"

"Wrong, Billy." Blam!

"Do you know the answer Suzi?"

"Gulp..."


And a generation of MUCH more attentive students is born :)

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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2005, 06:42:57 PM »
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Must be a cultural thing...as has been pointed out by many Americans on this site.

Of course by cultural the meaning usually refers to all of the minorities who do all the gun crime.


Minorities? Nah.

The US has always been a violent society. Even before we threw the Brits out, the colonies were more violent than Jolly Olde. It's still that way and I do believe it is cultural.

I guess it's one we're used to; I certainly don't live my life in fear as some "outside observers" continually suggest we do here.
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« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2005, 07:04:42 PM »
Curval,

Sure...there is always the possibility of some kid taking a gun away from a teacher.   But we cannot develop a policy that will take care of every contingency.  We cannot endlessly wring our hands and live by a code of "...if, if, maybe, perhaps..."

Regards, Shuckins
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« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2005, 07:07:21 PM »
Well, one thing we now know is that no kid could ever get a gun away from a cop, even if the cop was his grandfather. Right? We KNOW that?
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« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2005, 07:08:07 PM »
You may have noticed there is very little guaranteed in this life. Well, I hope you've noticed it by now.
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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2005, 09:17:50 PM »
I don't see why I should lose my 2nd Amendment rights just because I'm at work.  And having a piece could help me with discipline.
YOU'RE ENTERING A WORLD OF PAIN LARRY!!!
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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2005, 11:43:08 PM »
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I don't see why I should lose my 2nd Amendment rights just because I'm at work.  And having a piece could help me with discipline.
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