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Gunslinger · « **Reply #30 on:** March 28, 2005, 12:30:58 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Actually, an AK-47 is fully automatic. The name AK stands for Automatic Kalashnakov.

How many crimes are there where the weapon is actually recovered? If the suspect remains at large, then it is hard to tell.

So far laws have done a good job at keeping automatic weapons at bay. Take a look at prohibition to see what happens when automatic weapons fall into the wrong hands.

Why would a civilian need this ability? Also, while we are on the subject of tactics, when one unit is suppressing the enemy, another is supposed to move around and kill them.

Yes, suppression alone does not kill the enemy unless they are stupid enough to move to the open.

IF somone owns and automatic weapon and a lic. for it and they dont keep it properly secured as per the guidlines for storing such weapon they I think they should be held liable.

Sholtzy,

Many cars are stolen in the US and taken on high speed persuits. I would vetured to guess that the number of people killed or injured as a result of this has been equal or close to the amount of people killed by automatic weapons stolen from lawfull owners.

The majority of the automatics here in the US are smuggled in just like drugs. Truth be told they are not very good crime "type" weapons unless you know what you are doing or have a bunch of people really close together.

I dont think it is wise to sell full autos like we do hunting rifles BUT to ban them outright is wrong.

Banning guns is not the answer to reducing crime. If they want to make a difference throw some money at investigating illegal arms trade here in the US and that will do more to reduce "gun crime" in the US than any ban ever has.

NUKE · « **Reply #31 on:** March 28, 2005, 12:40:48 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Actually, an AK-47 is fully automatic. The name AK stands for Automatic Kalashnakov.

So you are saying every AK-47 is full auto?

SunTracker · « **Reply #32 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:37:39 AM »

If it is a true AK-47, then yes. I know of no Russian made AK-47s that are semi-automatic.

cpxxx · « **Reply #33 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:38:26 AM »

Great website. Thank goodness someone is doing something to remove this menace. I'm going to take their advice and buy an assault rifle to keep it off the streets. It's the right thing to do.

Trouble is they are hard to get in this country unless you're a gangster or terrorist. But I believe the IRA are going out of business and have a few spare AK 47's and AKM lying around in bunkers. They might sell me one.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #34 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:15:15 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
If it is a true AK-47, then yes. I know of no Russian made AK-47s that are semi-automatic.

the thing is anytime somone is killed from an AK or varient they call it an AK 47.

sometimes they call them full autos when they are in fact not because 47s tend to be so.

M16A1s were fully auto

montag · « **Reply #35 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:24:09 AM »

are fps games still legal?

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #36 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:29:09 AM »

It's pointless if the weapon is full auto or semi-auto. Most people are 10x more leathal shots with semi-auto mode.

The issue is the large ammo capacity and the penetration power of the 7.62mm ammo. Those suckers blast through brick walls like butter.

wrag · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:40:36 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Some assault rifles are easily modified to be fully automatic. Look here, a common cheap rifle from Walmarts, the mini-14 . Now here is a website that sells a book on how to make it fully automatic.

Nutjobs can easily have something more potent than a semi-automatic assault rifle just by modifying a gun to be fully automatic.

I suggest you look further into that. The design of the mini14 is such it will become extremely dangerous to the user with such modifications. HINT>> it will come apart/blow up in your hands!

wrag · « **Reply #38 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:03:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's pointless if the weapon is full auto or semi-auto. Most people are 10x more leathal shots with semi-auto mode.

The issue is the large ammo capacity and the penetration power of the 7.62mm ammo. Those suckers blast through brick walls like butter.

Hmmmm...

actually, well hmmm.....

an M16 is 5.56mm. Yes it will cut up a brick wall at full auto. But getting a full auto version is difficult. Ammo capacity? Hmmm... a 30.06 bolt action hunting rifle will do as much damage in a very short time in trained hands. Lets talk about say a 300 magnum? A 7mm Mag? Or say a 458 Winchester Mag? And of course there is the semi-auto hunting rifles. SSSSOOOOOOO whats the difference here? 10 small 5 round mags vs 2 1/2 20 round mags? Don't take that long to reload any of em really.

The M14, M1A, HK91, FN-Fal and several others are 7.62X54. The AK series of 7.62 is 7.62x39. Also the AK type 7.62 will not fit through the barrel of the nato type 7.62.

You've seen this? The cutting through a brick wall like butter?

The Nato version will penetrate 18 inch's of losely packed dirt. The AK will not penetrate as deep due to lower velocity.

Admittedly you get hit with either one at under 200 yds. and your still in very bad shape provided you survive.

But the 5.56 has such a high velocity same thing, maybe more so.

Note there is now a AK type in 5.56mm.

SunTracker · « **Reply #39 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:10:51 AM »

Heres a page to convert your common Ar15 (which is a civilian assault weapon) into a belt-fed machine gun. For hunting purposes I am sure.

wrag · « **Reply #40 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:17:53 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Heres a page to convert your common Ar15 (which is a civilian assault weapon) into a belt-fed machine gun. For hunting purposes I am sure.

?????

no link?

Converting an AR15 to belt fed? Whoa thinkin I wouldn't want to fire it. I don't believe the receiver is that strong. Would be allot weaker if cut.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #41 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:32:59 AM »

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You've seen this? The cutting through a brick wall like butter?

I haven't (luckily) witnessed it first hand but news reporting of a serial killing included this info.

A psycho that was doing his military service escaped with an assault rifle (7.62) and murdered a bunch of people that had been mistreating him. He shot a clip of shots to a brick building and they penetrated the outer wall, two light inside walls and got stuck to the second outer wall. Amazingly nobody inside the buildings got killed. The morning postman wasn't so lucky. He got shot long distance to the chest and then to the head from 30cm away.

Interestingly enough he killed his first two victims with a hunting crossbow. He then proceeded to kill four more with the assault rifle untill he was arrested by the police.

VOR · « **Reply #42 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:34:50 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
If it is a true AK-47, then yes. I know of no Russian made AK-47s that are semi-automatic.

That'll be your little secret. You sound like a legislator.

mora · « **Reply #43 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:41:09 AM »

I've shot at a brick wall at 15 meters with an 7.62mm assault rifle. It was quite fun, I intentionally missed the pop-up target and shot at a concrete window frame a few times. It took some chunks away, but I doubt it would penetrate a wall.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 28, 2005, 07:56:44 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
My post was more for the ban of fully automatic rifles.

Ya know If I were sitting around hitting the ole crack pipe and decided that me and Pinky just had to take over the world and we just had to have full autos to do it,(which would be my last choice in weapons btw) I wouldn`t grab the latest edition of Shotgun News, nor would I run down to Joe`s Terrorists Supply Co. looking for full auto. I`d snatch up ole Pinky and we would head out to the workshop and turn out a few. Very simple to do. Most full autos are fairly simple. They are designed that way for easy servicing , cleaning, etc in combat situations.
The point being, anyone that decides on something such as this does not care about gun laws ...or any other law for that matter. Bans only work on those who follow the law and would not stop someone determined to have one.