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« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2005, 09:26:57 AM »
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Well, as I've said you are a nutcase, and when you learn how to spell "communism" I might start to give credence to your political opinions. However ... there are those pesky little facts that always seem to get in your way.

1. We have more privately owned guns per household in my country than in yours.

2. We can legally own any conventional weapon in my country, including things like silencers that are prohibited in the US.

3. We have virtually zero gun crime in my country.

We must be doing something right.



Here's a Norwegian Mr. Black wannabe ...



What you don't have is a huge population of people from different cultures most living in huge metropolitan communities where the social restraints that roots and family are absent.  many of these people are from the lowest social strata in their home countries.  the countries where these people come from may have laws but there is no rule of law as we have here.

the social problems we experience here in our cities are nonexistant in our often homogenous rural communities.

you can't compare Norway with the United States.  a more fair comparrison might be Montana and Norway.

 I don't know why I even bother.  you euros are beyond any measure of hope.

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« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2005, 09:44:33 AM »
Personally, I think much of crime is due to a breakdown in the family structure.

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« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2005, 10:13:12 AM »
Be a little difficult to compare.

Norway Population* (2002 est.): 4,524,066.
4, 606, 400 people by 1 January 2005

U.S. population 295,761,478
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« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2005, 10:22:24 AM »
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We have been over this before Lazs. Mandatory safety training with exams. Mandatory "grace-period" in a gun club to get some experience with firearms before being able to buy your own. Mandatory safe storage to prevent theft. Mandatory supervised use (i.e. range instructors/safety supervisors present at all shooting events).


For a long time I would have agreed with you, more or less. I was raised with guns (had my first .22 at age 7), served in the military, worked small arms ranges in a training unit, etc. but had experienced some rather unsettling moments on civilian ranges from the occasional moron. For some people, their only experience with firearms is from TV and they see a firearm as a toy. Similarly, someone who is marginally stable can get a gun and one day "go postal." Some form of involved screening or additional usage controls might reduce both these risks.

But... it has become clear that there is really no middle ground today. The anti-gun people are serious about eliminating the 2nd Amendment and will use any "reasonable" form of control as a stepping stone for the next incremental move, and so on. Registration one day creates a list for confiscation the next. That is not being paranoid, but, IMO a reality. Which is too bad, because there are an awful lot of morons with access to guns and if you thought the other side was reasonable and well intentioned you might be able to reach a middle ground.

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« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2005, 10:46:36 AM »
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Make up your mind. On one hand you guys say Europe is being overrun by immigrant Muslims, and on the other you say we are homogenous people. 10% of all Norwegians are first or second generation immigrants and most of our population live in the cities.

Is there no gun crime in Montana? ... funny, that's kind of the opposite of what I've been led to believe.


has that happened in Norway also? hmmm.  I thought muslims were on the continent and in Sweden for the most part.

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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2005, 12:17:18 PM »
Two facts regarding gun control have always puzzled me. From a legal point of view, it is today harder than it has ever been to obtain a firearm. (Not that it's hard, just harder.)

From a social point of view, to have heard of a crackpot walking into McDonalds say 40 or 50 years ago with the intent of mass murder followed by suicide would have been an exceptional thing. For a child to have done such a thing might have been unheard of. Today, sadly, it seems to be commonplace.

So..why are people (especially kids) killing each other today? Do we want to honestly answer this question?

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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2005, 12:24:00 PM »
Ok, I agree. Social problems. Now, the next question is naturally "why"?

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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2005, 12:26:25 PM »
VOR,

FWIW, you are looking in the right direction. It is not an "object" that is at fault, it is the person. The time frame you indicate, 40 to 50 years ago, people were not in the same "environment" growing up that they are now. There are a whole raft of social situations that kids find themselves growing up in now that were not present then. That is not to state that there were not any "bad" people then as now.

IMO there are folks who are simply born with a prediliction towards bad or antisocial behaviors. Some may say environment is the key but I think it's both and environment is the weaker of the stimuli towards that kind of behavior. Some folks are just born psychopaths. (IMO)
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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2005, 12:37:46 PM »
This all makes sense, but the question of why a nutcase today is more willing to act out aggressions than past nutcases remains.

My next question is how can the problem actually be fixed, and will it require us to look closely at how we live, work and entertain ourselves?

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« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2005, 12:57:24 PM »
Part: 1

Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway—Authorities Look the Other Way

Fjordman blog, Feb. 20

Numbers released in January 2005 indicate a sharp rise in the number of rape charges in Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city:

Thomas Anderberg, responsible for statistics at the Malmö Police, says there was a doubling of the number of reported rapes by ambush in 2004, following what was already a decade of steadily increasing numbers of sexual crimes.—I think that’s great news, says Anna Gustafsson, head of the Domestic Violence Unit at the Malmö Police. She suggests that the increase is due to the fact that women who otherwise wouldn’t press charges for rape now choose to contact the police.

In other words, Gustafsson claims that we are dealing with a “technical” increase, not a real one. However, national statistics reveal that reported rapes against children have almost doubled in Sweden during the past ten years:

According to Swedish Radio on Tuesday, statistics from Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention show that the number of reported rapes against children is on the rise. The figures have nearly doubled in the last ten years: 467 rapes against children under the age of 15 were reported in 2004 compared with 258 in 1995. Legal proceedings continue this week in a case involving a 13 year old girl from Motala who was said to have been subjected to a group rape by four men. (Note: These four men were Kurdish Muslims, who raped the girl for hours and even took photos of doing so)

The number of rape charges per capita in Malmö is 5—6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmö or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmö only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state. In 1970 Sweden had the fourth highest GDP per capita among developed countries with income about 6% above the OECD average. By 1997 it was at fifteenth place with an average GDP per capita 14% below average. Malmö has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. According to some estimates, it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years. Crime is rampant in the growing ghettos:

Becirov runs the Islamic Center of Malmö, on the outskirts of Sweden’s third-largest city. Some immigrant neighborhoods in the city have (official) unemployment rates exceeding 50 percent. Swedish authorities have failed to lift up the area, and seem to be giving the Islamic Center of Malmö a great deal of leeway in attempting to do so. An article that appeared in 2003 noted that “a few” of the 6-to 10-year-old girls were wearing headscarves. On a visit in January 2005, fully 80 percent were covered in class—only a handful were not. In a fit of absent-mindedness, Sweden has suddenly become as heavily populated by minorities as any country in Europe. The percentage of foreign-born is roughly equivalent to the highest percentage of immigrants the United States ever had in its history (on the eve of World War I). Rosengård appears to be all-immigrant. The public schools have virtually no ethnically Swedish children. There are stories—familiar in other parts of Europe where immigrants from the Muslim world have recently settled—of students harassing Jewish teachers and defacing textbooks that treat Jewish themes. Crime is high.

Is it unfair and “racist” to suggest a link between the influx of Muslim immigrants and the growing number of rapes? Not if we compare with the situation in neighboring Denmark, where this trend has been evident for years:

Criminologist: immigrants are rape champions

If one leading expert is to be believed, the sharp rise in the number of rapes in this over the last 5 years is largely attributable to a group of unemployed and alienated immigrants. ‘Over the last 5-10 years there has an increasing tendency to marginalise and alienate immigrants,’ says Professor Flemming Balvig, a criminologist at Copenhagen University. ‘As a result, many second generation immigrants have reacted against this through various types of criminal activity, including rape.’

Muslim rape concern

Alarmed at last week’s police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority, leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls.

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are “asking for rape.” Apparently, he isn’t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called “smiley”. It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

Hijab, the Islamic veil, is thus not “just a piece of cloth”. It serves as a demarcation line between proper, submissive Muslim women and potatos, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the movement. Judged in the light of the Mufti who said that women who don’t wear it are asking for rape, how on earth can the veil be said to be about “choice”? The freedom to choose not to be raped if you dress in a normal fashion in your own country? Is that what freedom is about in Europe in 2005?

Even though Sweden, unlike Denmark, has almost no public debate about immigration, frustration is very much present underneath the surface. 75 % of Swedes think that many people in their country “dislike” Muslims, more than in any other European nation surveyed. Even in Holland, which recently witnessed violent clashes with Muslims after the murder of Islam-critic Theo van Gogh, the rate is lower than in Sweden. But you’re not supposed to talk about such issues in Sweden. That would be “racist”:

Swedish laws prohibiting “hate speech” against racial minorities have been vigorously enforced. There have, for example, been a number of gang-rapes of Swedish women by Muslim immigrants. But Swedes must be careful what they say about them. On May 25, neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist was convicted and sentenced to two months in prison for writing, “I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes.” [“Jag tror inte jag är ensam om att må dåligt när jag läser om hur svenska tjejer har våldtagits av invandrarhorder”]

All in all, we must say that there is strong circumstantial evidence indicating that the rise in rape charges in the city of Malmö could very well be real, which puts the Malmö Police assertion that this is “great news” in a rather curious light. And the problem is not just limited to Sweden. It exists in Norway, too:

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising—the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2005, 12:58:22 PM »
Part: 2

Europe: Tolerating Intolerance

An incredibly revealing article that tells us all we need to know about the multiculturalist fetish in Europe and some parts of North America, not to mention the need for change within Islam. Apparently, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by “non-Western” immigrants—a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (note: her name is Unni Wikan) as saying that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”

In January 2005, Norwegian media reported that 2004 saw the highest number or rape charges ever recorded in the capital city of Oslo. Strangely enough, there was now no mentioning of how immigrants were grossly overrepresented in rape cases. Why not? Unless there has been a sudden and unexplained drop in the number of immigrants raping Norwegian women between 2001 and 2004, which is unlikely, the statistics should be at least as staggering in 2005 as they were before. If they are not revealed, it can only mean that “somebody” didn’t like the numbers presented in 2001, and decided to bury them. That “somebody” must be a person at the very top level in the police, maybe even in the government. If so, that is disquieting. What is even more disquieting is that the media are equally silent about this. How come no journalists are digging into the material? And where are all the professional Feminists, in a Scandinavian nation brimming with them?

The conclusion one may draw from this is that the authorities in Sweden and Norway know about, or should know about, a disturbing amount of Muslim immigrant rapes of native Scandinavian women, yet choose not to make this information known to the public. Perhaps it would be just too politically incorrect to reveal the negative effects of decades of naïve immigration policies. Perhaps it would also destroy too many multicultural pipe dreams among the intellectual elites, who have built their current careers and reputations on advocating how culturally and economically enriching this new population mix would be. So in the end, the safety of young Scandinavian women is sacrificed in order to keep the glossy image of a multicultural society intact. It is a chilling demonstration of an Eurabian continent that now appears to care more about not upsetting relations with its immigrant population than about protecting its own citizens.

(Posted on March 22, 2005)
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« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2005, 01:37:11 PM »
Scholz,

This is very intreresting as the media here has very little (none as far as I know) public information being broadcast about this problem.
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« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2005, 01:56:29 PM »
If it is like the "blog" suggests, it is more than just a rape problem and is indicative of other more insidious problems. Not the least would be the inability or unwillingness for those Muslims engaged in this situation to accept their new homes and have any shred of acceptance for others not like themselves. In otherwords you have an ethnic or "racial" if you like, problem not just a "rape" problem.
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« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2005, 01:56:50 PM »
If you dig around for american statistics you will find that one demographic group which comprises 16% of our population of roughly 240Mil commits 40% of the total rapes.
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« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2005, 02:09:28 PM »
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Sure there are serious problems with immigrants, ..., but they are being dealt with.


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