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« on: March 28, 2005, 04:08:05 AM »
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2005, 07:00:21 AM »
I love it when thugs try to issue ultimatums and proclimations..like they have some sort of authority. I hope they do try to attack the minutemen voluteers, so they can promply have therie tulips handed to 'em. If I wasn't so busy up here in VA with the Navy..I'd be down their with my carry permit ready to shoot those "MS-13" ******* on sight.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2005, 08:44:33 AM »
When they bus the Illegal's and deport them, deport these pussified "gang members".  

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 10:09:09 AM »
How much you wana bet that if a firefight does brake out, after the Minutemen decimate the gangmember punks, the local DA or federal DA prosacutes the Minutemen?

The government cant have armed citizens defending the border, it makes them look bad. :mad:

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2005, 12:37:22 PM »
They need to get the National Guard down on the border...at least until they get the wall built:aok .  Actually, a high-profile firefight might be just the thing to get Congress and the President off their collective buts to safeguard the border.  Everytime I watch a news show where this is debated, they always have someone on who is against any attempt to stem the flood of illegal aliens from Mexico.  Time and again, this unappointed spokespersons for the illegals is asked, "If we don't build a wall and we don't deploy troops on the border, what should be done?"  They always answer with something like, "We need to work with our neighbors to the south."  They never explain what this means.

Now you have the Mexican government issuing handbooks on how to sneak into the US, where to find water, where's the best place to cross.  When questioned about it, the official response is that the main purpose is to save lives by making the (illegal) crossing of the border less dangerous.  That answer would make some sense, accept the handbook goes on to cover topics such as: how to blend in once you're in, how to get a drivers license, how to get food stamps, how to get your (illegal) kids into school, and on and on.  If the Mexican government is going to continue to undermine our efforts to stop illegal entry to the USA, then physical border security is our only option, IMO.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2005, 03:58:20 PM »
Hmmmm.....

Thinking something got missed.

Word was A treaty was signed not too long ago that litterally opened our borders to all north/south america.

Sort of an answer to the E.U.

Claimed under the new treaty they can't enforce any kind of immigration laws.

Saw a thread about it. It even posted the actual treaty. But stupidly lost the url when my system went south.

Something about the government actually being run, or everthing must passing through and be ok'd, from a small building filled with people from all over N.A. and S.A. setting near Wash D.C. now.

Don't know how accurate the article was.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2005, 08:48:49 AM »
I have no problem with open borders.  I have less problem with shooting gang members.

but... the solution is to jail and fine the employer and to have a national 5 day waiting period/background check for all new hires.   If you even hire an illegal landscaper or maid your hollywood butt goes to prison for a year.

No medical services for non citizens except for emergency or paid in advance.    

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2005, 09:40:58 AM »
I think this is great.  everyday citizens taking responsibility for the security of their nation.  As long as they arent like vigilantes this is great.

No one's gonna die of dehydration in the middle of the desert if they don't cross the border in the middle of the desert.

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2005, 10:05:11 AM »
If MS-13 encroaches on the Zetas territory, they'll just disapear.

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2005, 01:28:55 PM »
Normandy-style defense of the borders should be allowed.

Bunkers, barbed wire, ditches, moats, gorillas with machine guns, alligators with flame thrower backpacks, hungry dogs, machine guns, a 50ft obtuse wall, quick sand, mud pits, and of course, proximity mined turtles.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2005, 02:53:45 PM »
Late 80's early 90's there was a business man in california who asked for volunteers to help him stop the ilegals at the cali-mexi border near san diego. He had a good number of volunteers. Problem was he died of mysterious circumstances just before the rally day.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2005, 02:56:09 PM »
alot of our border areas are so remote....I wonder if anyone would take notice if I his in the scrub and picked the useless bastards off as they croosed the border?
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2005, 06:41:37 PM »
This is kinda why we hire the government to provide these services.

Now if these guys want to incorporate be bonded carry insurance etc. so there can be some recourse if one of em screws up and shoots a local gardener fine.

Even the most well intentioned group can turn into a mob without controls.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2005, 07:01:32 PM »
At least some help is on the way...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/border.patrol.ap/index.html

 The Homeland Security Department will assign more than 500 additional patrol agents to the porous Arizona border, saying they will help keep potential terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country, The Associated Press has learned.

The border buildup was to be announced Wednesday -- two days before civilian volunteers with the so-called Minuteman Project begin a monthlong Arizona patrol against immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico line.

About 155 agents will be immediately sent to Arizona, according to department officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the buildup was not yet announced. More than 370 additional agents -- all new trainees -- will be permanently assigned to the Arizona border throughout the year.

Until they are in place, another 200 agents will be temporarily stationed in Arizona during the high immigration season this spring and summer, officials said.

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2005, 07:15:21 PM »
Looks like the plan is already a success then.
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