Need to clear the Air

[GooseAW]

I was a little miffed last night at multiple statements made by a member of the sickpuppies. I'm not throwing darts. I just want to say what I feel.

We C HAWKS were assigned to escort Sickpups to their target and take whatever assignment we're given very seriously. We are comprised of pilots with varying degrees of ever improving skill levels in fiters. Little if any in a 109G6 I'll add.

While leading the bombers on approach, we were engaged by a larger force with a large alt advantage. We went to work to keep them High to allow or bombers to reach the target. Spotting our bombers well below, they dove in with the C HAWKS hot on their tails. As we dispatched 1 group, we caught another, and so on.
At this point it became a struggle as we were now forced to operate at altitudes that were to our enemies advantage given that they were in LA5s vs our BF109G-6s. We fought to the death without a wimper and finally 4 of the 9 we started with returned home to reload or land damaged planes.

On the way Home I had to listen to statements such as "next time we'll escort ourselves, thank you very much!"...etc
The statements made implied that we failed in our mission miserably and/or made little effort to protect them at all. While the former may ultimately be true, the latter most definately is not. And the implication, nay, the blatent insulting statements made on country channel by this 1 member have tainted my opinion of the squad that would have such a member.  

Finally I say! "WTFG ~C HAWKS~!" You did 1 hell of a fine job!
And thank you to all who make it such a blast to be a part of FSO and Aces High2! {SALUTE}

[doobs]

I hear ya Goose, just keep it real and enjoy the flight. Let others say what they want ,u know what u did.

Try flying with the 68th, bunch of baztagez(try sayin that falcon)
KO and Falcon are unbearable, do this kill that land here shoot there.... we got pushed to the edge and refuse to fly with them anymore in FSO.

[M36]

Goose, I wll try to not throw darts either, but I would also like to clear the air, at least from my angle. Out the 7 or 8 of us that flew the mission last night, along with the other squad that was flying the JU also, we were engaged by the LA5's with the target in sight and they shot down everyone in my squad except for me. I was the only one that was able to make it to the target and complete the mission, without the escort.  While returning to our field the cavalry did arrive and I did get the help of two of your pilots but I think I was my own worst enemy and they were having a hard time bailing me out because of my own trying to get away tactics and being able to turn tighter. I sure appreciated their help though. The squad that you wound up helping was not us. Except for me, everyone else was already shot down.

As seriously as you take your flying, we take ours just as serious and our mission was to bomb the radar site with your help. As an escort squad whose mission it is to facilitate our  destroying the radar site, if we fail our mission because we are shot down then you failed your mission as well.

You heard a very small amount of the frustration that my squaddies  were feeling, and if the roles were reveresed and your squad was on the recieving end under the same circumstances you would be just as frustrated as we were. I know that because you take your flying seriously and you want to complete the mission.

Whether or not the comment should have been made on the open channel can be debated all night.  At our piece of the map, my squad was falling out of the sky without any help. Perhaps a comment on the open range channel of your situation could have eased some of our frustration, maybe not. But knowing what is going on is better than not knowing at all.

I hope that this doesnt cause any problems between the CHawks and the Sick Puppies in the future, or my squaddie and you.  There are always two sides to every story and neither squad knew the others story until now.
Perhaps a good lesson for another SE night can be learned here. Maybe the next mission will be different & and a success.

Cheers,

Jim "M36"
Sick Puppies


P.S. Rhino, I hope I didnt step on your toes here.

[Easyscor]

GooseAW, M36, you guys ran into the 68th and if that wasn’t enough, I think we had another squad catching you for the last 50 miles before you got to the target.  I don’t have a film but I believe you were sandwiched between 30 or 40 interceptors at the worst possible time, so there wasn’t much either of you could have done.

I thought you guys did a great job, heck, you sent me back to the field for a dead stick landing and the 109s that did it were smart enough to break off and return to the bombers.  I still marvel that you got those 88s to 20k and it looked very daunting when we dove in.

[GooseAW]

We were in vox range and reported when 20 or so higher LA5s engaged us about 10k ahead of the bombers. I spoke to and heard reply from Kreacher himself at that moment.

Yes Easyscore, there did seem to be 2 large groups at that point.
1 engaging us, and 1 on the bombers. We did pull off of part of 1 group to engage those who were specifically attacking the bombers and yes, I remember your predicament M36.

C HAWKS hold no grudges for a squad or an individual and never will. This is proven time and time again in our over 15 year history. That crap didn't belong on any channel and I posted this to show my squaddies the respect they deserve!

Again,
{SALUTE} to all involved

[M36]

Goose,

Don't recall the the conversation between you and Kreacher, but if you said it happened then I believe it.  I think Easyscor just opened my eyes as to what was really going on.

As far as our squad being tainted, I am just as loyal to mine as you are to yours and the Sick Puppies are far from tainted. But, we are a squad with some strong, & good personalities. If you are judging a whole squad by what one person says, then that whole squad should be able to judge the CHawks for what they didnt do, as we percieved it, in the same manner and on the same level of tainting. I personaly won't do that, and believe it is not fair to make that assumption by you or myself about each others squad members, since the real picture of the night has unfolded.  I think there is no place for that here as you believe there was no place for the comment.

As far as the comment is concerned, I am not offering my opinion as it is not my place. That is between our CO, you and the person who made the comment, and I believe that that is how it should be handled without dragging down each squad. I will address the comment  issue with my squaddies though.

Again, thanks to your squad for the help I recieved on my way back. I myself am looking forward the next mission with the CHawks.


Cheers,

Jim "M36"
Sick Puppies

[yb11]

from my seet it looked like 9 of us c hawks in 109s to what look like to me 100 la5 i think we wear out numbed a little Sick Puppies                     yb1CH

[kevykev56]

C-Hawks,

I would like to start by appologizing for the comment made on country channel. It was very unprofessional for any sick pup to air that openly during the ops.

Also I would like to thank you for your support during the mission, we were heavily out numbered! I reviewed the logs and realize that your squad fought to the death to try and save us! again thank you!

I was not acting as sick pups lead during the mission due to being frame CO. With the frame orders you were suppose to have another squad with you to support your escort duties. They however were a no show. I also added what I thought was a 3rd squad to the escort. It was their first run in FSO so they were a bit behind the power curve, with hip shot orders. When the NME showed up the force was so overwhelming that  there was no real way for your squad to save the bombers. The frustration level in the squads OTW to bomb the facility was high. We appeared to be alone with 10-15 NME swarming us. I do believe it was a second squad that hit the JU-87 vs the ones you were engaged with.  We are all competitive here and dont like to die so im sure you can see how perspectives can get skewed in these types of scenarios.

I dont want you to think this is any excuse for the type of behavior on country channel just an explanation of what happend from my perspective. I will be reminding my squad for future use of radio discipline and behavior during FSO.

Thanks again for your support and I look forward to flying with your squad again in future events.

[1Klink]

This my take on the whole event.

We were aloud too hop on as an Extra in the FSO.

Assigned too cover the Ju-87's on the way too a Radar FActory,
I hovered over the 87's at 1.5 off of them .When they were almost too the target La-5's came out of the wood work like cockroaches after someone turned the light off.I managed to down 2 possibly 3 of them while being chased by 4-5 La-5's.

My question is this,why were the Ju-87's flying at low alt.?

The 190 A-5 i was flying performs way better at higher alt,as does the Ju-87,but yet they still kept low too the ground.

Even though my mission was F.U.B.A.R. i still followed it too the letter,sorry i couldn,t kill more LA-5's but don,t think it would have done much good anyway.

[GooseAW]

M36...no personal affront here so ease up bud. I only bring this out because it would have possibly tainted my reaction to your squad knowing me...consider it aired.

Rhino, thanks for your response and acknowledgement. That's all I wanted. C HAWKS are the best dang level bomber squad in the game and an ever improving fighter squadron. So, if ever you need us, just give us a shout!:aok

We asked ourselves the same questions about alt of bombers. Once the LAs dove below us for the bombers, we were forced to fight at an alt that was by far to their advantage...for future reference.

All in All....Had a blast!

[CrzyMonk]

Just wanted to say I enjoyed reading all these posts.  I love my new squad and they have a lot of respect for the game and the other squads in the arena.  All your comments put the scenario on perspective and it was most definately a great learning lesson.

to all involved.  I look forward to flying with you again!

[daddog]

Thanks for the post CrazyMonk. Often these threads get out of hand, especially in the General or O’Club forums. Am pleased to see that it happens less often in the Squad Ops Forum. Due in part IMHO to the respect and appreciation many squads have for each other in here. Every veteran squad in Squad Operations has received the short end of the stick and has had to fly a lousy mission only to get wiped out. Due in part less often to Frame C.O. orders, but simply being caught between a rock and a hard spot (sandwiched between two formidable squads). Many complain about the canned orders and the fact that both sides know what is going to be hit, but no one, (not even the Admin CM’s) can predict the outcomes.