God and the US of A

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Silat
Hotshot?
Not sure what you are talking about. Teri? Well the facts and 14 years of legal briefs dont support your contention.

And since the almighty himself hasnt let me know what he thinks I prefer to err on the side of personal freedom. Your rights end at my daughters skin.

But you see I support your right to believe what you want. And Im not mad at you for it:)

Who is mad?

Regarding Terri Schiavo, ONE judge (who it so happens accepted campaign contributions from both Michael Schiavo AND his attorney's office) ruled on the case, and none of the rest had the balls to address his multitude of errors. The biggest of which is the fact that he dismissed the testimony of Teri Schiavo's closest friend on facts that he THOUGHT he knew, but was in fact COMPLETELY WRONG about. Regarding medical exams, for every exam one side provided, there is another provided by the other side. Legal briefs often have so little to do with facts it would stun you. I spent my youth in courts, and my sister has been a lwayer for 20 years. But again, it was merely an example. Not just an example of morality and law, but also an example of the judiciary run amok.

If you're waiting for some object to speak to you in a deep booming voice to learn "what the almighty thinks" you'll be waiting a long time. If you really want to know what he thinks, seek it and you will find it.

Abortion is the termination of a life, since we can now try a person who kills a fetus when said person attacks the mother carrying it. I'm not sure terminating a life qualifies as a personal freedom. At any rate, the Supreme Court over stepped its authority in Roe v. Wade, according to the Constitution. I hardly think abortion is one of those inalienable rights the Founding Fathers spoke of.

If you want to argue the "slippery slope" theory, we're perched atop said slope right now. We've decided that individuals may judge whether a fetus is a human and has a quality of life, whether or not the fetus should be allowed to affect the quality of life of the mother. We've now decided that a judge and an estranged husband may determine the quality of life for an invalid, and terminate that life if they so desire, regardless of any wishes of that person. Next, maybe we'll decide that we should determine the quality of life of Alzhiemers patients, or dementia patients, or the profoundly retarded, and if we feel their quality of life isn't up to our standards, we'll just terminate them as well. Yeah, the slope is slippery alright.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Silat
Unborn children being murdered? You would think I would have seen that on CNN.
I was asked for 2 religious items that an attempt was being made to legislate. I mentioned them.

LOL, you expect NEWS from CNN?

Since when is abortion a religious matter? Just because it is a matter of right vs. wrong does not make it specifically religious. By your arguement we could find a religion that practices some sort of ritual that goes against the current laws and decide that those laws must be struck down because they restrict that religion. Or we could decide that since the laws we have are based mostly on the Ten Commandments, they "establish a religion", and therefore are in violation of the Constitution.

I suppose pulling an unborn fetus from the womb of the mother and stabbing it in the back of the head with scissors is not murder?

Oh, and in order to qualify as legislation of religion, according to the Constitution, it would mean Congress would have to pass a law ESTABLISHING a CHURCH of the NATION, and outlawing or restricting the other churches. I have yet to see this happen, or even see any attempts to make it happen.

Just because we decide what is right and what is wrong, and what is acceptable behavior, does not mean we are establishing or legislating religion.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Lizard3
Oh yeah, and put something in the subject asking Toad to pleeease not read the thread. You'll look better in the end.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Nash needs help....

 

 

Now I could go on and on, but if we are gonna use contextual proof to show what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote the second amendment, we can certainly do the same with the first.

Two problems with your position.

1. It is written AFTER the Constitution, and after it was ratified as well. It speaks to specific issues in a specific context, not the basic premise found in the Constitution itself.

2. Like Jefferson's letter, it is written by ONE MAN who was involved with the Constitution years before, and not by all who were involved. Also like Jefferson's letter, it is not a continuation of the specific clause in the Constitution, but rather an opinion on certain specific issues after the Constitution was ratified.

I do agree that Nash needs help though.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Lizking
Specifically it states that the United States Congress may make no law.  It is a local issue that the state constitution must address, not the Federal Government.  If a state allows it, a school district can require prayer, if you believe in the actual intention and compass of the US Constitution.

Equal Protection (I forgot the amendment number) extends the federal restriction to state and local governments as well.  State and local legislative bodies may also "make no law".

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Silat
Anti Gay agenda
Abortion

Thats 2.

             
Your faith belongs in your heart not in my face.

Abortion is not a religious issue at all.  It's no more a religious issue than murder or any other crime committed by one individual against another.

[Raider179]

Sigh,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/final-report.pdf

federal dollars going to churches

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/booklet.pdf

how churches can receive federal dollars but can discriminate based on religion when it comes to employment.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/01/20010129-2.html

Sec. 3. Functions. The principal functions of the White House OFBCI are, to the extent permitted by law:

to develop, lead, and coordinate the Administration's policy agenda affecting faith-based and other community programs and initiatives, expand the role of such efforts in communities, and increase their capacity through executive action, legislation, Federal and private funding, and regulatory relief;

aww expanding the role of churches using federal taxes dollars. gotta love the slick wording.

to coordinate public education activities designed to mobilize public support for faith-based and community nonprofit initiatives through volunteerism, special projects, demonstration pilots, and public-private partnerships

gotta love the use of the public education to support faith based initiatives.

 to eliminate unnecessary legislative, regulatory, and other bureaucratic barriers that impede effective faith-based and other community efforts to solve social problems;

My favorite. Eliminate all opposition, Including laws that make what he is doing very very wrong.

I know some will say look at the good they are doing in their communities, so I ask what good? All the faith based initiative did was free up money at the church. I would like to see if the churches increased the amount of "public help" they are giving by the same amount as they received from the government.

[Silat]

Originally posted by GtoRA2

Old laws don't count in this one Vulky

The key word is "trying". Did you miss Bush wanting a new amendment against gays having the same marriage rights as the rest of us?

 Now I showed you the 2. Google is your friend.

[Silat]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Abortion is not a religious issue at all.  It's no more a religious issue than murder or any other crime committed by one individual against another.

Well you can google the history of the religious right as well as I>
Abortion wasnt an issue until Russia went down. Then the Religious Zealots needed a cause and guess which one it was. Now believe or not that is the facts.
And we disagree. I believe totally in a womens right to choose.And in America it is not murder. No matter how many times you say it.

[FUNKED1]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[Lizking]

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Amendment 14.  It states that all must be treated the same, but has nothing to do with what I said.