Author Topic: Tapping a clip on your helmet (Read 2884 times)

DoctorYO · « **Reply #75 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:30:37 PM »

well lazs looks like I hit a nerve (double machinegun posts and 2 whole paragraphs on what im saying but its not what i said..alot of immagination though.. )

you think by posting 2 paragraphs of he said she said when what i said is clearly a record of these boards is going to gain you traction. that is a feeble tactic..

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you SEEM to be saying

there is no seem to it, read and reply.. not seem this or seem that..

Heres the low low version..

mag fouls the feed system**(da bolt)** (doesn't feed the round to bolt/upperassembly right.. bolt mashes it in anyway..)

round gets seated but bolt does't go all the way forward (usually when changing a mag, the first round is most prone for this..)(or bolt get jammed from the round, pin wont operate under these conditions)

bolt is forward enough to allow activation of the firing pin.. pin fires but misses the round resulting in a misfire..(you will hear the firing pin click..)

I cant spoon feed it any more.. thats what happens..(ive had it happen numerous times personally, multiple weapons)(a1 in basic, had to swap out weapons to qualify)(a2 korea, dogged out weapon)(Riley A2 needed new firing pin, make your own deductions?) all your other scenarios are possible but im talking my scenario.. My first post was ambiguous, i corrected that in the second post...

If this doesn't clarify im not a miracle worker that can force you to understand. i cant.. only you can force yourself to understand.. that is if you want to understand.. putting words and heresay into my mouth is not the answer..

now others have claimed i said magazine interferes with the firing pin.. (note a bent magazine at that) .... i said show me.. (first post was ambiguous and could have construed this response i noticed after first challenge and I clarified..)

others have claimed full battery whatever that means.. Rabbit curious what is Full Battery..? (Jarine terminology? 8 UP?)

now lazs says something else..heh

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When the the hammer strikes the firing pin or simply releases the striker and all you hear is a loud click.... then either the chamber is empty or you have a bad primer or... a bad firing pin. the round is not in the chamber at some odd angle due to feeding from the magazine in some bizzare way.

or the bolt is not all the way forward.. because the round is not seated in the firing chamber all the way due to misfeeding the bolt from the magazine which then the round interfered thru friction/dirt/other the normal operation of the bolt. hence push your bolt assist 3 times to push the bolt all the way forward and retry to solve.. bolt forces round in and you get a discharge when you pull the trigger instead of click.... if not eject the round and retry..

I give you a valiant effort at she said he said though...

the more feeble of mind would have fallen for it..

Rabbit read my second post.. says what im saying here just this is super watered down version hopefully this will clarify..

Fellas give the he said she said a rest or at least try it on someone who will tolerate it.. you send that BS my way I tend to go sledgomatic on ya.. (especially blatant attempts with the facts about 2 words {Niel's I win!} inbetween..

might even force you to machinegun post in retaliation. (lazs) truth always hurts the most i see...

have a nice day..

DoctorYo

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #76 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:11:42 PM »

dr yo yo

Your just twisting and playing. Instead of getting into name calling ego runs with you I'll let it be. Regardless of how right or wrong you are its clearly impossible for your ego to let you debate the issue constructively

FWIW, full battery means the bolt has stripped the round off the magazine and brung it fully into the chamber and locked forward.

john9001 · « **Reply #77 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:25:43 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO

I cant spoon feed it any more.. thats what happens..(ive had it happen numerous times personally, multiple weapons)(a1 in basic, had to swap out weapons to qualify)(a2 korea, dogged out weapon)(Riley A2 needed new firing pin, make your own deductions?) all your other scenarios are possible but im talking my scenario.. My first post was ambiguous, i corrected that in the second post...

i can't argue with a "expert" like dr yo, but i have fired thousands of rounds of military FMJ ball ammo in M-1/M14/BAR when i worked for my rich uncle sammy and i NEVER had a missfire, or fail to feed or fail to eject, what kind of crap gun were you using dr yo? or maybe you needed a little lubriplate or oil? i shot with a dirty gun , dirty ammo and dirty shooter(sometimes we were clean).

say again, NO MALFUNCTIONS, or maybe they just trained us Marines better.

lazs2 · « **Reply #78 on:** April 26, 2005, 08:45:02 AM »

LOL... now you are saying that because of the magazine.... the bold feeds the round into the chamber at an angle that allows the bolt to lock but then... the angle is so bad that the firing pin misses the round? this is beyond laughable.

You did try a feeble save with the defective firing pin explanation... Yes... as I said, a defective or very dirty firing pin will cause a light strike but... the bolt still has to be all the way forward and locked for the firing pin to be released...

Anyone here ever have a round chambered at an angle so that the firing pin would still function but then miss the primer?

dr. yo... you may indeed have fired thousands of rounds but... you apparently never really understood what was happening. that is fine... you don't really need to unless you are just interested or a gunsmith.

stripping the gun will show a broken or very dirty firing pin... it will be obvious and easyu to replace in the field.. you don't need to know much about function... a bad magazine will cause stovepipes and failures to feed.. again... easy to fix (dump the mag) you don't have to know why or how.

lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #79 on:** April 26, 2005, 10:20:21 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
GTO... you have a Garrand right? If you load the clips they will often have rounds that aren't seated flush with the bottom of the clip. I allways tap (pound) on these clips to seat the rounds. With the longer reloads the clip won't even go in the rifle if you don't...

Loaded some 168 grain noslers with the plastic tips with some IMR powder and they were pretty long.

lazs

Yeah have it happen all the time with pre clipped surpluss stuff, though when I am shooting I don't wear a helmet so I just pop one round out push them all back down and then put the round back in.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #80 on:** April 26, 2005, 10:38:16 AM »

dryo
It is better to try and clerify a mistatement like the one laz poinged out without being a condesending ass.

It makes you look like the one who is all defensive.

Staga · « **Reply #81 on:** April 26, 2005, 10:40:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

Usually during exercises we dug a small hole with our boot heel and ejected all of our blanks and buried them. The less blanks fired the easier it would be to clean your weapon when you got back.

Looks like that habit is spreaded around the world... at the winter all we had to do was drop them to snow one by one.
Anyways once I had a joy to give support fire (problems with ligaments; couldn't run) and for that I got about dozen magazines tied together in packs of two or three (rambo style...).
Strange how much crap and powder dust can one RK62 hold inside...

Seagoon · « **Reply #82 on:** April 26, 2005, 11:19:11 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
ah seagoon... brings a tear to my eye knowing that another ex brit comes here and first thing... buys a rifle and enjoys shooting it..

I have a smle and it functions very well even moving the bolt slowly... what is actually happening? Is the round simply not chambering fully? Is the front of the round not being guided into the chamber?

lazs

Laz,

While I certainly appreciate your sentiments, just for the historical record, the first place I fired a rifle was as a lad in Nova Scotia whilst on vacation with my family (I was hooked from that moment on) and the place I really learned to shoot both pistol and rifle was in St. Andrews Scotland as a member of the U. of St. Andrews Rifle Club (this was before the mass of Gov't white papers and firearms bans that made competetive shooting in the UK well nigh impossible). I've been blessed to have shot full-bore competition at Bisley Camp, and small-bore in the Scottish University championships (I'll have to post the picture from the awards dinner after I totally blew it for our team by shooting 11 shots on a 10 shot card). But you are correct in saying that my first firearms purchases were all in the USA.

Ok, on to the problem. I believe I move the bolt smartly (although since the rifle is scoped and I use it for hunting, I am sometimes forced to move it slowly and quietly. The problem I get is the round not being picked up and moved into the breach, sometimes the bolt will slide over and scratch it, sometimes it will jam at the rim. Also, when opening the bolt, often the spent cartridge will fail to eject staying attached to the bolt the whole way back. I've fired my father's MK4 (which I got him as a b-day present) and his action is much smoother. I suspected a bad mag, but the problem is just the same with my 5-round hunting magazine. Perhaps something is preventing the magazines from "seating" properly? I've put off handing it in to a gunsmith, but its frustrating enough that I think I will do so as soon as we have a positive cash flow.

The problem cost me a second shot last season (Took a long shot at a walking buck last day of the season, missed, he stopped dead in his tracks for at least 2 seconds while I struggled - frustrated as all get out - to remove the old cartridge and get the next to feed, by which time he was bounding away - I might as well have had a Hawkens rifle at that point).

- SEAGOON

Hawklore · « **Reply #83 on:** April 26, 2005, 11:34:12 AM »

I was also talking about the BAR...

occasionaly a guy will, 'set' the blank rounds in his clip for his m1 garand, and of course we can all laugh at the guy who does it in Saving Private Ryan

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 26, 2005, 03:08:07 PM »

Is the .303 rimmed? Because for the longest time on our Nagants we were screwing up the laying of the rounds in the Mag. The rim of the top round would be behind the rim of the bottom round. It would not feed.

Seagoon · « **Reply #85 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:03:19 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Is the .303 rimmed? Because for the longest time on our Nagants we were screwing up the laying of the rounds in the Mag. The rim of the top round would be behind the rim of the bottom round. It would not feed.

Yes.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #86 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:11:47 PM »

Lazs you claim what you say is correct, i say prove to me otherwise.. you keep putting words into my mouth ( i clearly described above; not what your saying.. again you attempt disinformation, a sign of desperation) saying i said this or that.. the record (any educated person will read the thread and call you..) shows what i have stated and i still stand by it..

whether you agree or disagree you won't see backpeddling unless im wrong. in this case, i consider myself in the right, even if self proclaimed gun collector disagrees....

What i really find amusing is you new knack for writers flair..

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You did try a feeble save

For a feeble save i'm pretty good at that especially considering my precognative shutdown of your attack (the same attack your harping now as I pointed out earlier (the one where i rip and pasted your attack, note unedited, before you even attacked)(sad to be checkmated by the fools mate on turn 3 doesn't it..)

I do give you a bonus for using my speech pattern for the "feeble save" see now that has class...

Johnb: yeah it my fault i didn't pmcs my a1 as newb greenhorn in basic to determine the weapon was deadlined.. (other weapons worked fine after maintenence but still had initial problems)

Im shure your jarine training would have protected you from such a fate.. Hell while were at lets just say that marines are invincible... heres some marine honor for you... document your dead troops get relieved of your command.. semper fi..

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/25/international/middleeast/25marines.html

using your philosophy do you blame them for getting their heads blown off for having defective hill billy armor on their trucks..? just curious..? hell they could have at least boiled down their kevlars into some door/floor armor.. I mean superior jarine training and all...

HUUUUAAAAAAAHHHHH!

GTO :

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It is better to try and clerify a mistatement like the one laz poinged out without being a condesending ass.

your wisdom is noted.. I'll clergy-ize the next one..

The "Aspect of Irony" also says whats the difference from your attack on me above to my attack against lazs dumb comments.. let alone comments right above with me saying the exact same thing before he says it..

rebuttal..? ah yes you answered your own statement see how easy that was.. take a look in the mirror next time hypocrisy underroos man..

anymore...?

Have a nice day..

DoctorYo

PS: Im defensive... because GTO said so.. and it shall be written..

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #87 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:49:13 PM »

weeellp.. thanks for proving everyone elses point! Have a nice day!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #88 on:** April 26, 2005, 05:29:21 PM »

Seagoon, I can think of a bunch of things, but can verify nothing unless I actually see the rifle.

1.) You need to make sure that the rims of the cartridges stack forward as they go further up the mag. If the rim of a cartridge that's right above the cartridge below it, it will not push forward because the cartridge rim caught on the other rim.

2.) Its possible (I don't know the Enfield rifle) that there's a switch on the bolt or possibly nearby on the reciever that is designed to change the fire mode. It'll either be on, or off.

On my Remington 1903, if it's on, the bolt will not come back far enough to catch the back of the next cartridge in the magwell. However, if it's off, the bolt will get stopped by the mag well follower if there are no bullets left in the gun.

My suggestion is to take a bunch of empty cartridges and put them in the back of the mag well. Try flipping some of the switches to see if the distance the bolt will pull back changes.

john9001 · « **Reply #89 on:** April 26, 2005, 06:55:47 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO

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using your philosophy do you blame them for getting their heads blown off for having defective hill billy armor on their trucks..? just curious..? hell they could have at least boiled down their kevlars into some door/floor armor.. I mean superior jarine training and all...

HUUUUAAAAAAAHHHHH

well dr yoyo, in the old corp we did not have armored trucks, trucks were for hauling stuff not for use as armored fighting vehicles, my jeep not only did not have "defective hill billy armor " my jeep did not even have doors to hang "defective hill billy armor " on.