Author Topic: The behemoth is due to fly tomorrow (Read 3740 times)

VWE · « **Reply #60 on:** April 28, 2005, 03:30:42 PM »

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Hats off to airbus for showing guts and daring to build something inspiring, which shamefully Boeing has not been doing for years in the civil market.

Daring? Boeing isn't being subsidised by the U.S. government either. Were not comparing apples to apples here. Also no major U.S. airline has orderd a single 380 and untill that trend is broken the 380 will not become a success.

Nilsen · « **Reply #61 on:** April 28, 2005, 03:37:34 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE
Daring? Boeing isn't being subsidised by the U.S. government either. Were not comparing apples to apples here. Also no major U.S. airline has orderd a single 380 and untill that trend is broken the 380 will not become a success.

I hardly think any american airlines need to buy the plane to make it a success.

Fishu · « **Reply #62 on:** April 28, 2005, 03:55:35 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE
Also no major U.S. airline has orderd a single 380

They have ordered only a very few 787's.
Reading the Boeing news releases, Continental is the first and so far the only major US airline to order the 787's, with an order for 10 planes.

Of course both are for different kind of markets, but it does indicate that the US airlines aren't so interested to order totally new planes.
I suspect it is due to the financial difficulties of the major US airlines.

VWE · « **Reply #63 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:05:12 PM »

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I hardly think any american airlines need to buy the plane to make it a success.

Just flying makes the plane itself a success... but financial success is another story and it won't be unless good ol' America help out.

Nilsen · « **Reply #64 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:09:04 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE
Just flying makes the plane itself a success... but financial success is another story and it won't be unless good ol' America help out.

Wrong.

VWE · « **Reply #65 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:35:40 PM »

Go read up about what Airbus thinks about this... and I'm right and your wrong.

straffo · « **Reply #66 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:39:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Anyone have a link to the NTSB report on the loss of F-GFKC?

You mean the BEA I think ?

Nilsen · « **Reply #67 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:40:55 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE
Go read up about what Airbus thinks about this... and I'm right and your wrong.

Its common knowledge that if your name is nilsen then you are always right. If you dont know that then you do not even posess common knowledge so why should i trust you on a subject like this. No.. this is going nowere for you and I accept your apology without rubbing it in to much.

Thanks for playing tho and have a good night. The missus sais im not allowed to stay up anymore.

VWE · « **Reply #68 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:45:38 PM »

A study says Airbus could realistically have expected to sell just 496 of the large aircraft in the first 20 years of the programme. To date, the A380 has been sold for $130m-$145m, compared with the $199m building cost.

Do the math Nilsen... with numbers that off you can figure it out on a napkin.

Nilsen · « **Reply #69 on:** April 28, 2005, 04:49:35 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE
A study says Airbus could realistically have expected to sell just 496 of the large aircraft in the first 20 years of the programme. To date, the A380 has been sold for $130m-$145m, compared with the $199m building cost.

Do the math Nilsen... with numbers that off you can figure it out on a napkin.

But its early days yet, the thing has only had a single testflight. None of this says anything about having to sell to america to be a success.

now go away, im having a long nap now!

VWE · « **Reply #70 on:** April 28, 2005, 05:03:06 PM »

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They have ordered only a very few 787's.

Just this week, Air Canada and Air India announced a total of 82 new orders for Boeing jets - including 41 787s - taking Boeing's Dreamliner order book to 237.

Currently there are 157 orders for the -bus...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #71 on:** April 28, 2005, 05:05:44 PM »

A380 Construction Cost > A380 Selling Price = Bad

Sooner or later even the socialist aircraft woreks will have to turn a profit on these babies. When exactly do scale economies kick in for big plane production runs?

Toad · « **Reply #72 on:** April 28, 2005, 05:10:58 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
You mean the BEA I think ?

Usually our NTSB has a report on anything that is flown in the US.

VWE · « **Reply #73 on:** April 28, 2005, 05:15:50 PM »

Anything and everything... just need a date when it happend.

Nilsen is wrong

Soda · « **Reply #74 on:** April 28, 2005, 05:22:57 PM »

Comparing the A380 and 787 is crazy, totally different purposes with entirely different target markets. Closest Boeing product is the 747-400 series and derrivatives. The 747 has been a good seller for decades now (after some early difficulties) so obviously there was a market for such a large aircraft on long-range routes. It also was in a market without competition, something the A380 will change, but whether the A380 is a success will really depend on the market conditions for air travel in the next decade or so and whether it lives up to it's billing on cost/seat-mile. Boeing doesn't seem to have anything firm for a 747 replacement and is mostly looking at some additional upgrades to increase capacity on a design that is somewhat dated.

From what I've read, the A380 order committments to date are probably better than expected considering no US operator (except FedEx and UPS for cargo versions) has ordered it. You can bet if it lives up to billing that many airlines will seriously consider purchasing the A380 and cycling out their 747's. Good market for 747 conversions to cargo right now so a good time for airlines to make the change.

-Soda