Note they could not trace the guns past the illegal distributor. Obviously, the serialized bullets would be the same.
Note also, that in opposition to your idea that such plans PREVENT crime, this chain of events occurred after murders had been committed.
So your idea that this will prevent crime is silly.
Note that the guns were not traced to idividual owners. They were traced only to the distributor level. The guns found were already in the hands of criminals who had obtained them illegally.
It would be just the same with ammunition. In short, it makes little difference.
You found one example out of how many million gun crimes since the GCA of 1968?
2) show me where the stats say about stolen guns that because I can not find it. Link please.
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From Americans for Gun Safety website:
It is rare for a firearm to go directly from a gun store into the hands of a criminal. In the latest published analysis on crime gun traces, ATF reported that in 88% of the firearm traces for crimes committed in 2000, the person charged with a gun crime was not the original purchaser of the firearm from a licensed gun store.25
ATF does not keep statistics on how many of the firearms traced
to crime were previously reported stolen. But surveys of prison inmates and an analysis of gun trafficking investigations indicate that stolen firearms, though not the principal source of black market guns, are a major source
88% DO NOT purchase a gun through the "legal" channels that require the paperwork you have so much faith in for solving crimes.
And by the way the gun that led to this case being solved was stolen. It's funny how they still solved the crime huh? kinda throws that argument in the toilet.
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You really don't cogitate much do you?
Here, from your own clip:
This investigation began in March 1996 when a firearm recovered from a Washington, DC youth, charged with illegal possession of a firearm
Would they have ever caught the distributor WITHOUT first catching the kid with the illegal stolen gun? Serial numbers and registration don't prevent crime. They are an "after the fact" item.
Yes, this led to catching an distributor that didn't follow federal law. He could just as easily been caught sooner if BATF had any kind of routine records inspection. The problem is the BATF is a joke as well.
The serial numbers and registration did NOTHING to prevent crime. Which, if you recall, is what you earlier claimed serializing bullets would do.
To recap, serial numbers had NOTHING to do with the street crime. They were only useful in catching an illegal distributor which a simple routine BATF inspection would have done much earlier. Except the BATF is too undermanned to do much inspectiong.
But waste a few billion on bullet serialization... the BATF couldn't possibly use more agents.
4)How many criminals make their own bullets. I would guess its not very much.
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It's so easy even you could do it. So I'm certain criminals could handle it should the need arise. I seriously doubt serializing bullets would cause an ammo shortage amongst our criminal element, but if it did they'd need a bullet mold, a heavy saucepan, a stove burner and some old tire weights.
In short, they could if they had too and they could very easily.
5)You talk a lot about responsibility but you don't seem to want to require any responsibility when it comes to fire-arms.
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Spoken like someone who has no idea of what responsibility and accountability really means.
You will find that I think irresponsibility should be discouraged in non-criminal activities (like abortion) and punished in criminal activities (like gun crime).
I am strongly in favor of Project Exile. It holds the responsible persons responsible and punishes them accordingly.
What I am severely against is holding someone responsible if that someone has no responsibility in the matter. Think on this and it will come to you.
For example, Project Exile has no adverse impact whatsoever on law abiding citizens.
Punish the Guilty, leave the innocent alone and free to do as they choose. It's a tough concept for you, I'm sure.
6)Appartently they DO know where the records are, see the example I just gave you came off their web
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Your example completely validates what I said although you don't realize it.
I said the guns are easily traced from manufacturer to DISTRIBUTOR and on to FFL license holder.
However, records of transfer from FFL license holder to citizen are difficult to trace in most instances and impossible in many. ~8% of criminals purchase their guns from legal gun dealers.
For example, I am certain they don't know where the records I sent them are. They have no filing system. How? I called them and asked them if they got them when I sent them. I sent them registered mail so I would have PROOF they got them. I called them a month later...no record. I called them a year later...no record. I called them at 5 years... no record of receipt. There's about 150 "untraceable" guns right there.
Bottom line: you can set up all the expensive bureaucratic boondoggles you like. In comparison to hiring cops and punishing the actual CRIMINALS (what a concept... that responsibility/accountablity thing you have so much trouble with) the boondoggle money is essentialy wasted.
Simple choice: spend money on "feel good" pointless paper shuffles or hire cops, prosecute criminals and imprison them.
But, hey... if doing nothing at an exceedingly high price makes you
feel good... well, that's all that matters, isn't it?
