Originally posted by Toad
The Richmond, Virginia Project Exile program that cut the homicide rate in that community by 36% during the first year of operation.
Boston's three-pronged strategy of prevention, intervention, and enforcement for youth violence is paying off. Youth homicides have dropped some 80% citywide from 1990 to 1995, and in 1996 not a single youth died in a firearm homicide in the city. Violent crime in public schools decreased more than 20% in the 1995-1996 school year and over 150 drug dens have been closed through joint Federal-state-local cooperation.
Jacksonville:
From 1993 to 1996, murder committed by juveniles dropped 72%, the number of vehicle thefts decreased by nearly 60%, and rape and sex offenses were cut in half.
An evaluation of Jacksonville's juvenile justice system estimated that over 7,200 robberies, burglaries, and motor vehicle thefts were prevented by incarcerating habitual juvenile offenders as adults during 1992-1995.
Note the common factor: putting criminals in jail.
Show me stats like that from tracing guns or bullets.
1) Are you just afraid to post your links or what? You never link anything and you put it up there as fact. It might very well be, but I am thinking more its because you don't want us to read what the rest of those reports say.
2)hmm whats this?
The next study of Jacksonville, Florida employs much the same tactics. "From 1991 to 1996, more than 80 juveniles died as a result of firearm-related incidents. In 1992 alone, 454 youths were arrested for aggravated assaults." (Clinton) It mentions firearm-related incidents, not homicides. Firearm-related incidents includes a million different things, hunting accidents, suicides, household accidents, and since it lists the juveniles as the victims rather than the assailants who knows how many of those 80 were killed by adults. Also mentioned are the 454 youths arrested for aggravated assault, now switching to arrests rather than victims. Assault is vaguely classified and Franklin E. Zimring believes that "the willingness of police authorities to give greater priority to assaults has altered the classification of attacks across the board"(Zimring 46). Zimring believes that a change in how police deal with and classify assault is to blame for the large increase in aggravated assault by youth; no doubt the same reasons apply in Jacksonville. After describing some programs Jacksonville has implemented to combat the 80 firearm-related incidents Clinton provides statistics to prove their success. Although he chooses to use statistics related to murders committed by juveniles, clearly not the same statistics he used to open the Jacksonville example with Any good social scientist knows that if one intends to prove a direct correlation between two things one must use the same statistics before and after to prove it. It just does not make good scientific sense to use much different sets of numbers to prove the effectiveness of anti-crime programs, this is clearly and attempt by President Clinton to obscure the truth and push his agenda at all costs.
Not the same set of standard for the statistics? wow imagine that no wonder you left the link out.
3)Any reason all your data from jacksonveille murders is left hanging Before 2000? Here let me help you find statistics. Murder by fire-arm is up in jacksonville and has been on the rise for years. Although other fire-arm related crimes are down.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/fsac/Crime_Trends/violent/fa_index.aspUsing only juvenile crime to determine crime rates is foolish and you know better.
If you show me a single stat with links which you have not I might think about searching for the trace guns stats.
And where do you get they are putting more people in jail? Is that per capita? does it depend on population? Is it because there is higher crime. You make a lot of statements with nothing that backs them up.
