Author Topic: The irony: US money caused the death and destruction (Read 2198 times)

Ripsnort · « **on:** September 13, 2001, 08:13:00 AM »

We've been giving our money to the middle east for many years now, its made billionaires of the arabs that now attack us.

Its time to become self dependant on oil, yet remain global in our approach to all our friendly nations.

Lets start exploring the Arctic Refugee areas in Alaska, the sooner we can wean ourselves from Middle east oil...the better.

Once we have the oil thirst quenched, take all the money that we will save by not buying over priced oil from overseas and find other energy alternatives. First and foremost, we must act quickly and get off the bottle that feeds us, and feed ourselves.

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Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »

Pipe dream. (pun intended)

straffo · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:24:00 AM »

brain failed

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1776 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:26:00 AM »

Now there ya go, don't you know that the carabo are more important then US policy!!!

Sierra Club has you,Rip, on their hit list!!

I mean, you have to think of the children!! If you dirty the preserve the children of today won't have any carabo to shoot in the future!!

Ya. drill now, drill deep, drill fast. The precious enviroment will heal. US policy=self sufficiency!!

straffo · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:33:00 AM »

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Originally posted by 1776:
US policy=self sufficiency!!

You can try to ignore the world but the world won't ignore you ever

And furthermore it won't stop the hate and jealousy toward USA.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:40:00 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo:

You can try to ignore the world but the world won't ignore you ever
And furthermore it won't stop the hate and jealousy toward USA.

Has nothing to do with shutting the world out, Straffo, only to become self supportive and not have to depend on middle east politics to sustain the way we live.

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2001, 08:54:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
We've been giving our money to the middle east for many years now, its made billionaires of the arabs that now attack us.

Its time to become self dependant on oil, yet remain global in our approach to all our friendly nations.

Lets start exploring the Arctic Refugee areas in Alaska, the sooner we can wean ourselves from Middle east oil...the better.

Once we have the oil thirst quenched, take all the money that we will save by not buying over priced oil from overseas and find other energy alternatives. First and foremost, we must act quickly and get off the bottle that feeds us, and feed ourselves.

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that makes way too much sense Rip. ..
This country "Unity" has a shelf life I say less than 30 days. Then it'll be us and them and "they" still won't let "us" "destroy the enviroment" getting our own oil, no matter how many US lives it has or will cost us in the future...

straffo · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:01:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:

Has nothing to do with shutting the world out, Straffo, only to become self supportive and not have to depend on middle east politics to sustain the way we live.

Well I understand your view but we Euro (and lot of other country like Japan) cannot do ... currently we are energy dependant

We need oil for the chemical ,transportation and lot of other need (in France 80% of our electricity is nuclear but we still need oil ...)

Sorry for my english it's poorer than usual

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Pepe · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:03:00 AM »

The answer is not self-dependency. It is independence. But even there, it's half of the answer. That could be a solution in the very early stages of the problem, maybe in 1.970-73, before the first big oil crisis.

You will be surprised how deeply incardinated is arab capital within western corporations.

We need new international laws with regards to transparecy in corporations' ownership. We need to block any suspicious assets. We need to expropriate assets of terrorists (in your President's aception of the word), if we need to cut money supply to these beasts. We need to aggree on international regulations as to capital flows and trade is concerned.

Stop thinking in US terms. US alone will not achieve anything on the long run. The problem is too complex, and involve too many nations. Neither US money alone caused the problem, nor is US alone the solution. If anything positive can be taken from the horror, one is pulling the bandage out of our eyes, and another one is putting all Allies together against the common enemy.

Pepe · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:06:00 AM »

Oh, and the irony is even worse: The worst the blows they deal against western countries, the more revenues they will get from higher oil prices.

niklas · « **Reply #10 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:10:00 AM »

i actually had the same idea: if you want to reduce the dependece from the orient, you must get independent from the oil.

It´s oil why the americans show precence in the gulf. Only oil - nothing else.

But what did Bush say about the Kyote protocol? Not interested, saving energy is no solution, we´ll consume (read: waste) energy as usual...

But i don´t like the tone from you, Ripsnort, because you say it in a way that sounds like "we were supporting them for free with millons of dollars". Actually the US is doing very good buisness with the orient. Oil is very cheap. Way too cheap if you consider the remaining recources and the consequences for the environment.

It´s the buissness that caused the death. Americans speak about freedom, human rights etc. but they seem to forget that western companies don´t care at all about those priciples when they do buissness in the so called second or third world.

niklas

capt. apathy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »

i think it's time for the revival of a wonderful old tradition. 'to the victor goes the spoils'.
when this is sorted out and we have confirmed exactly who's at fault. it's time to deal with not only the group that did this but also the countrys that suport and protect this group. and after we have dealt with them we take their oil. we are at war, we where attacked, we have massive loss of life and property. and after this is done i think it's about time that somebody pays reparations to the US for a change.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »

Oh yes, its big business! Gimme a break Niklas, your either very young, or very dumb.

In regards to oil, if there is the reserve that scientists suspect under the AR site, then the market will be as such that the US will be able to export oil as well, so that offers the free world just another place where they can buy oil.

1776 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »

Capitalism isn't the problem here. It's the lack of Capitalism around the world that is the problem!!

Say, how many nations have signed the keyoto treaty? Last I head just one, Romania, I think.

Tac · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2001, 10:01:00 AM »

Make one of those troublesome mid-east nations the 51st state. Then you become self-sufficient in oil. *G*