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Offline wrag

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« on: May 17, 2005, 12:36:01 PM »
Got a home lan and having a problem.

My Son and I like to LAN game.  No problem at 1st then got Dawn of War 40K and had to set lan as 10.1.1.101 and 10.1.1.102 in order to play Dawn of War.

Everything else we play has worked fine until we both got copies of WarCraft III.

WarCraft III uses port 6112?!

We don't see each other when using WarCraft III.

Everything else is C&C Generals, C&C Generals Zero Hour, UT2004, Kohan II Kings of War, Never Winter Nights, Ghost Recon, Ground Control II, StarCraft used to work but haven't tried it in awhile.

Never could get Total Anihilation Kingdoms to work either.  But Total Anihilation worked (IPX).  Command and Conquer Red Alert worked then went south with a mismatch.

Hmmm ... don't care for the continual 1% packet loss that we get though :(

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2005, 03:51:20 PM »
What are you useing as your default gateway Wrag?

Do you have one?
Both machines set the same?

Also what network protocols are loaded??

Any firewall loaded?

Lots here lots better at networking than I am.  But thats where I'd start.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2005, 03:57:46 PM »
Without knowing your lan structure, it's hard to tell.  1% packet loss seems to indicate collisions or flaky hardware.  There is no reason to have any losses in a properly functioning home lan.

If you have broadband, your broadband modem should be hooked up to a broadband home router.  Those all come with 10/100 switches nowadays, so you can plug both computers directly into the router.

If you're not using a router and you have broadband, you're cheating death/zombification every minute you're hooked up to the internet.

If you don't have broadband, you should still have your computers hooked up to each other through a 10/100 switch.  Don't use a hub since you'll inevitably get collisions.  Sure it won't be a lot in terms of pure bandwidth if you only have 2 computers, but in a gaming situation it might be noticeable.

If you have a router, go into the firewall configuration and open up the required ports.  If you're using a software firewall, my big question is "why?"  The only reason I can see for using a software firewall is because you're still on an analog modem, and therefore an object of pity because you can't be helped :)

Seriously, if you ARE using an analog modem and want to be reasonably secure, you ought to use one computer for nothing but the modem hookup configured to dial-on-demand and running the most secure OS you can find, and then share the connection through either some sort of internet connection sharing over a regular switch or use internet connection sharing and a broadband router to isolate your lan from the hardware that physically connects to the internet.  It's sort of overkill using a broadband router to share a connection over a single modem, but it's going to be more secure than any software firewall.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 05:39:59 PM »
OS is Windows 98 SE.

Bothe machines are set up and are very nearly identical, same MB, same CPU, same vid card, same power supply.

Not using a gateway.

ZoneAlarm free version but shut it down when we lan game.  But allowed the game access anyway.

The Modem is connected to my serial port and is only used by me.  We don't have access to dsl or cable here.

Got a highspeed router but haven't got it hooked up at this time.  Been thinkin about it though.  Got a couple of standard cables just setting in a box.

Using a computer to computer connect, with the appropriate cable, as we only have the 2 computers.

Only have TCP/IP protocal loaded and running.

As I stated before all the other games mentioned work NO PROBLEM.

I can access one machine from the other NO PROBLEM.

Do I need to allow drive/partition access as well for this game?  The drive partition that I have it installed to is not accessable from his machine.  Don't recall ever running into that before.

BTW thanks for your replies. I really would like to get this fixed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2005, 07:52:46 AM »
First thing I would suggest is adding IPX/spx to your protocols.

Different games have different needs. Granted they should work with tcp/ip, but I've always had better luck at least having the ipx loaded.

I recently tried zone alarm pro for 2 weeks. Partly because I wanted to see if anything was getting past the modem/router that shouldn't be. Partly so I could learn it and help a friend of mine who was having troubles with it.

In 2 weeks of constant connect to the net via DSL I had 0 outside pings. I had 3 games that would not connect if zone alarm was running. All 3 had worked flawlessly before ZA.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2005, 04:11:58 PM »
How did those games work if you shut down ZoneAlarm?

Also did you give the games permission inside ZoneAlarm?

I'm not using ZoneAlarm Pro I'm using ZoneAlarm free version.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2005, 06:51:20 PM »
One thing i learned long ago, shutting down Zonealarm is the worst possible option.
Either keep it running giving games etc permission to connect or UNINSTALL it.
Shutting it down can prevent you getting access, the truevector monitor will still be running without any info as to whats allowed access etc.
Or thats how i understand it and i am sure someone else will jump in if its incorrect.

If playing on a Lan did you give your games access and server privs for local zone ?

I do use the pro version so it may be different options in the free version.

But NEVER just shut zonealarm down, your asking for a world of hurt.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 08:33:25 AM »
Wrag

Yes games had permison.

shutting down helped 1, didn't change the other 2.

Uninstalling fixed most things but one is still hosed.

I'm going to try reinstall the game & see if that clears it up.

But for me, never again zone alarm.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2005, 07:35:08 PM »
Hmmm most strange.

OK installed the router.  Is a D-Link Dl-704P.

Uninstalled ZoneAlarm.  

Note: Prior to uninstall I found if I shutdown ZoneAlarm many lan progs that didn't work with it on work fine with it off.  Perhaps it's only with certain games?  Allowing the games access in ZoneAlarm didn't seem to slow the games much if any.  Also set up a safe zone for the addressing used by the home networked machines helped considerably.

Kohan II Kings of War works GREAT!

Packet loss is now 0%

NOTE:  WarHammer 40K has always required direct host and direct join in order to work.  Called THQ and they said I had to run my network with 10.1.1.101 and 10.1.1.102.  That finally got it to work, with direct host and direct join, but what a pain.  Gonna try it with the router but don't know.  Router requires different addressing and thinkin the 10.1.1.xxx won't work on it.

Note: set Router and computers to fixed addressing rather the obtain.

Still no workie for WarCraft III :(

Neither machine seem to be aware of the other.

Tried allowing all kinds of stuff including allowing port 6112.  Thinkin of goin DMZ with the router for WarCraft III.

Thinkin a Hub?  But this is gettin old fast.

OK both copies of WarCraft III were purchased at the same time same store, but wondering if the versions are different?  Would that prevent em from seeing each other?

Problem: WHERE THE **** can you find the version of WarCraft III you're using????

Note: reinstalled ZoneAlarm.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2005, 07:39:16 PM by wrag »
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2005, 07:43:39 PM »
HMMMMMMMMMM....

Using EnditAll2 I notice if I shutdown ZoneAlarm the truevector/vsmon also seems to shut down???????

Run enditall2 before and there it is.

Shut down Zonealarm and run enditall2 and truevector/vsmon is not there.

HMMMMMM......................
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