Author Topic: New Chinese Aircraft Carrier ! (Read 1602 times)

1K3 · « **on:** May 27, 2005, 10:37:24 PM »

(I took this from aircaft/vehicle section. Sorry Fongman)

Hangtime · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:48:10 PM »

I was expecting a Riksaw toting AN12 parts.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:49:49 PM »

Wow....what's funny is those really look like F4s....especially the one by the Island.

Good thing, hopfully this will increase the navy's funding.

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Is the thing gonna be for STOVL A/C only? That's the only reason I would put a sloped launch deck on it????? What kind of A/C are those?

1K3 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:52:56 PM »

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Wow....what's funny is those really look like F4s....especially the one by the Island.

those planes on the mock-up are J-10 fighters and navalised MiG-29s...

1K3 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:54:42 PM »

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Is the thing gonna be for STOVL A/C only? That's the only reason I would put a sloped launch deck on it????? What kind of A/C are those?

It's a pure conventional aircaft carrier. The slopeed launch deck makes up for its lack of catapult launcher.

1K3 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:55:57 PM »

btw it is schedulled to go in MASS PRODUCTIOn by 2010.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

Gunslinger · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:56:34 PM »

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It's a pure conventional aircaft carrier. The slopeed launch deck makes up for its lack of catapult launcher.

wow no cats? How do they expect to take off with fuel and ord?

seriously they'd have to be light as hell. F18s and Super hornets would eat them alive.

Sikboy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:58:28 PM »

What's the Chinese word for Varyag?

-Sik

Hangtime · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2005, 11:10:42 PM »

The Chinese have 2 Ex Soviet Carriers.. Minsk and Varyag.

One's a musem, the other i believe was scrapped. Seems they lacked the technological and operational know-how to get 'em finsished and have opted to 'scratch build' thier own, balanced against the air wing capabilities and airframes they have or can aquire.

China may 'want' a Carrier, but I doubt it'd be much of a threat to us.. about the only thing our Navy know how to do better than operate a Carrier Force is to sink one.

On the other hand, for imposing their will in the South China Sea and intimidating the Vietnamese, Phillipines and their lil rebel state on Formosa a Carrier Group would be imposing as hell.. however, before they can field a credible threat with a carrier task group they also need the escort and screen vessels that go with it along with the sophisticated defensive systems required to protect it from sea-skimmer missiles, subs and fast attack craft that their 'adversaries' will certainly field (all supplied by us).

For 'feel good' Chinese propaganda, priceless. As a credible threat to US intrests if the chips go down.. useless.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2005, 11:15:10 PM »

China's economy has been steadily improving. think they will be able to afford quite a lot of carriers. pretty scary.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:05:32 AM »

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It's a pure conventional aircaft carrier. The slopeed launch deck makes up for its lack of catapult launcher.

No see, really the deck is curled back like that because they put a biiiiiiiig-prettythang rubberband attatched to either side, put the plane in front of it and PUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLL it back until they lock it at the rear of the deck with the tailhook. The bow is bent because the metal is just a little flexible...........

Gunslinger · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:44:09 AM »

well I give them at least 15-20 years to catch up to us. If there's one thing the US military has is an elite carrier force. They are combat proven and experienced with over 60 years of development. I don't think you can learn something like this on a wim, wich sounds like to me the chinese are trying to do.

Seriously, how much/effective can a combat air craft be off a short take off span. Unless they have 200 more below deck and a few dozen tankers to support them (IE: stregnth through numbers) how much power can that project? Even for fleet defense the birds can't be up that long nore carry sofisticated weaponry in proper numbers.

rpm · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:48:26 AM »

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wow no cats? How do they expect to take off with fuel and ord?

seriously they'd have to be light as hell. F18s and Super hornets would eat them alive.

Let's keep it that way, too!

Hangtime · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:53:27 AM »

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well I give them at least 15-20 years to catch up to us. If there's one thing the US military has is an elite carrier force. They are combat proven and experienced with over 60 years of development. I don't think you can learn something like this on a wim, wich sounds like to me the chinese are trying to do.

Seriously, how much/effective can a combat air craft be off a short take off span. Unless they have 200 more below deck and a few dozen tankers to support them (IE: stregnth through numbers) how much power can that project? Even for fleet defense the birds can't be up that long nore carry sofisticated weaponry in proper numbers.

Guns, my brother tells me the catapults on his old boat (CV19) were guarded.. 'top secret'. Seems the biggest hurdle for the chinese is the catapult technology. My bro sez he wast told that 'it's easier to make a nuke".

FWIW..

Sikboy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2005, 01:07:39 AM »

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Seriously, how much/effective can a combat air craft be off a short take off span. Unless they have 200 more below deck and a few dozen tankers to support them (IE: stregnth through numbers) how much power can that project? Even for fleet defense the birds can't be up that long nore carry sofisticated weaponry in proper numbers.

I'm pretty sure that the photographed ship is the Former Soviet ship "Varyag" Assuming that the Chinese were to come up with a similar design, your question about "how effective can a combat aircraft be off a short take off span?" is answered by the Su-33. Not a bad plane all things considered.

Now, granted, we would still be talking about a single Carrier with a small compliment. But it's more of a threat than anything anyone else would be pointing at us.

-Sik