Author Topic: counter to the ME262 (Read 1109 times)

68DevilM · « **on:** June 04, 2005, 04:18:40 PM »

Gloster Meteor

i love the history channel!

without it i would never even know that this aircraft even existed during ww2

paulobrien6969 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2005, 04:25:00 PM »

beautiful plane

been suggested a few times before i believe

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2005, 04:47:33 PM »

I think that a Meteor F.III would be a fun addition, but there is a large outcry that the Meteor has no place in a WWII sim, so it is pretty likely we'll never see it.

Furball · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2005, 05:33:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
But there is a large outcry that the Meteor has no place in a WWII sim, so it is pretty likely we'll never see it.

which is BS since the only reason they can justify it - is the fact that it never saw air to air combat, largely due to the luftwaffe being in burning pieces on terra firma.

It entered service in July 1944... which i think it makes it a wwii aircraft.

The Mk.III was delivered on December 18, 1944 and in January 1945, sent to Belgium to serve on the Continent.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2005, 05:51:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
which is BS since the only reason they can justify it - is the fact that it never saw air to air combat, largely due to the luftwaffe being in burning pieces on terra firma.

And that fricken Spitfire squadron that chased them off just as they about to get a piece of some Fw190s. Dangit.

Kweassa · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2005, 06:22:48 PM »

Seeing combat is an important criteria.

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2005, 06:30:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Seeing combat is an important criteria.

But narrowing the definition of "combat" to exclude particular aircraft is not a good criteria.

I'd be shocked to hear that Meteor pilots felt they were not veterans of WWII because "all" they did was anti-diver patrols and ground attack.

68DevilM · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2005, 07:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Seeing combat is an important criteria.

umm i could probably do some reaserch and come back with some hard facts on some of the aircraft we already have in the plane set that never saw comat or little at that

Arcades057 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:33:27 AM »

Couldn't you count Meteors shooting down V-1s as air-to-air combat? That might make them eligible.

Krusty · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:39:12 AM »

I'm fairly sure that *every* plane in AH now has seen combat AND got kills for it. Hell even the Ta152 saw action and shot down temps and the like. And they barely made like 30 of those total!

No, actual combat action is an important requirement. It means that the plane in question actually made a difference. It means it has a place in history as a ww2 *combat* aircraft. Not a ww2 *patrol* aircraft, or a ww2 *recon* aircraft. You get my drift? Be it bombing or dogfighting, it's important to know for a fact that the ride you are in could actually have done what you are doing in it (flying) at any given moment. It's a link to the past. It's putting yourself into history's shoes. Not fantasy's shoes.

My humble opinion.

P.S. If all it did was shoot V1s then I say "not good enough". V1s hardly fight back, and anybody in any plane can shoot them down, as long as they're fast enough.

IK3 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:41:56 AM »

lol the Meteor front canopy resembles the 190!:D

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:43:41 AM »

It also resembles the Temp's, the pony's the F86s. Common framing, I think. It just worked.

Furball · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2005, 03:05:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm fairly sure that *every* plane in AH now has seen combat AND got kills for it. Hell even the Ta152 saw action and shot down temps and the like. And they barely made like 30 of those total!

No, actual combat action is an important requirement.

it did see combat, i believe they were used for ground attack when the MkIII was sent over to europe because they could not find anything to kill in the air.

so, in summary:-

Ground attack kills
V1 kills
No air to air kills as the luftwaffe was a no-show
Was used to train American bomber groups on Jet tactics
Entered service in July 1944
Was on the continent trying to find a fight at end of 44 - early 45

Grendel · « **Reply #13 on:** June 05, 2005, 03:40:34 AM »

Pffft. Debating about Meteor is stupid. Come on, it is a WW2 plane, and a fine plane, Worth getting if someone bothers to model it.

It is not that much a "counter" to Me 262, though. Meteor's performance is way behind 262, barely any better than the fastest prop fighters. Meteor's chances of catching 262 are about as high as P-51's. Dunno about Meteor's diving ability though, P-51 might be better in dive performance though so maybe it has actually *better* chances of catching 262s.

Take notice that Meteor's production had not started yet in summer '44. All Meteors, all the few ones, in use were practically hand built pre-production planes. Actual series production didn't start until next winter.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #14 on:** June 05, 2005, 07:49:28 AM »

As long as we lack planes that had MAJOR part in WW2 we should not ask for planes that had a minor part.

Tex