counter to the ME262

[SMIDSY]

i say we put in the dehavilland vampire. not because it was special or anything, i just think the name has a good ring to it. someone post a picture of it.




PS
am i the only one who thinks the brits are the best at naming planes? no fancy stock #s.

[6GunUSMC]

I think it belongs here along with the F8F and B-29...  But the B-29 should have been here long ago.

[Flyboy]

so whats his speed compared to the 262?

[68DevilM]

Originally posted by Krusty

No, actual combat action is an important requirement. It means that the plane in question actually made a difference. It means it has a place in history as a ww2 *combat* aircraft. Not a ww2 *patrol* aircraft, or a ww2 *recon* aircraft.
 

A total of 210 Ar-234Bs were produced during the war.  Due to fuel shortages and the confusion that reigned in Germany during the final year of the war, less than two-thirds of them were actually delivered to combat units, and less than half were used on operations due to fuel shortages and Allied air domination over the bases they flew from.

[68DevilM]

Originally posted by Flyboy
so whats his speed compared to the 262?

think it was close to 500mph level

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Flyboy
so whats his speed compared to the 262?

408mph for the Meteor Mk I and 480mph for the Meteor F.III, both of the wartime service models.


Keep in mind the Meteor F.III did have that brief encounter with Fw190s before the Meteors were attacked by Spitfires and withdrew.  Combat does not just mean scoring hits or being hit.  If you are trying to kill somebody and he is trying to kill you, that is combat.

Further, the Meteor F.III did destroy manned German equipment on the ground, not just V1s.

[Kweassa]

umm i could probably do some reaserch and come back with some hard facts on some of the aircraft we already have in the plane set that never saw comat or little at that

 So do it.

 Arado jetbuffs were out of prototype phase, went under normal production, delivered to the front, operated in squadron strengths, and saw combat.

[Arcades057]

I've flown the 262 offline and I didn't much care for it.  I did kill those drones pretty quickly, but I wonder how it would fare against living people with its low supply of ammo, and me having ****e for aim.

[AKDogg]

16 meteors entered service July 12, 1944.  Max speed was 410- 606mph(depending on model) with ceiling of 40-44k.  It had 4 20mm hispano cannons, 2 on each side of the nose.  This plane entered service 8 days before the 262's.  The Meteor 4 set a world speed record of 606mph in 1945 and raised to 616mph the next year.

[Hoarach]

I think the meteor would be a great addition to AH.  I would like to see the meteor because of the 20mms which are personally better for me because I cant hit anything with the 262's 30mms.  The meteor 4 would probably be the one put in because it hit over 500mph as said above and would then be a great competition for the 262 and I would perk the meteor less due to the less powerful guns.

In the other topics above, we dont need the f8f or the b29.  F8f would just be another late war plane which we really dont need.  The b29 is also not needed because not that it is also late war but the remote controlled guns of the b29 and the distance and speed is just too much.  I think if we are going to put a bomber in, it should be the b25.

[Westy]

"As long as we lack planes that had MAJOR part in WW2 we should not ask for planes that had a minor part"


 Patooey.   With a broad cutoff like that the customers would never see any Rumanian, Australian, Polish, French, Dutch or Swedish aircraft used in WWII.


 p.s  the C-47, M3, PT boats and the T-34 for example never saw aircombat either but AH has them!

[Angus]

Now look at the Meteor III which was hopping around Europe from January (?) 1945.

Powered by 2 × de Havilland (Halford H-1) Goblin DGn.1 turbojets, rated at 2,300 lb st (10,23 kN) dry each. Other differences are a rearward-sliding and jettisonable canopy, and fuel capacity of 325 Imp gal (390.3 US gal; 1477,5 liters). The middle 180 were G.41D aircraft with Rolls-Royce (Power Jets W.2B/37) Derwent RD.1 turbojets, rated at 2,000 lb st (8,90 kN) dry each and supplied with internal fuel that could be supplemented by 105 Imp gal (126.1 US gal; 477,3 liters) in an optional but non-jettisonable ventral tank. The last 15 were G.41E aircraft with Derwent RD.1 turbojets in longer nacelles. In other respects, the G.41D version of the Meteor F.Mk III was dimensionally identical to the Meteor F.Mk I but differed in details such as its empty weight of 8,810 lb (3.996 kg), max take-off weight of 13,300 lb (6.033 kg), max level speed of 495 mph (797 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9.145 m) declining to 458 mph (737 km/h) at sea level, cruising speed of 350 mph (563 km/h) at optimum altitude, range of 1,340 miles (2156 km), maximum rate of climb at sea level of 3,980 ft (1.213 m) per minute, and service ceiling of 44,000 ft (13.410 m).
Number built: 210
(From Frans Bonnes excellent website)
495 mph at alt is not bad at all, the range is okay, sl speed is just fine, climb is so so.
The 262 has 540 mph at 20K, ceiling 40K,climbs 3,937 ft per min at sl, and to some 19,685 ft in 6 min 48 sec.
Climb to 19,685 ft in 6 min 48 sec weights 9742 lb typical,
14080 lb max, thrust  from 2 × Junkers Jumo 109-004B-1/2/3 turbojets, rated at 1984 lb st (8.83 kN) dry each. Range was 652 miles.

So, why not the Meteor? It's not quite as fast, - well maybe at 30K But seriously the only threat possible for the 262 apart from the 163 of course

[Flyboy]

whats the Me262 top speed?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Flyboy
whats the Me262 top speed?

540mph at 20,000ft.

The Me262 is faster than the Meteor III, but the Meteor III would be the third fastest aircraft in AH after the Me163 in first and the Me262 in 2nd.


The Meteor III would be a worthy thing to spend perk points on for Allied flyers.

[Angus]

Wonder what the 262 would do at sl and 30K
I bet it was well fast at sl but perhaps pretty close at 30K
Gotta look into the wingloading etc.
Anyway Karnak, what you just said