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Offline whels

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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2005, 05:54:56 PM »
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It doesn't, my 3700 gets the same framerates as my old xp2400.



if ur getting same fps  now with amd64 3700 as u did with xp2400,  then either ur system is totally fubar or ur video
card is maxed out even with the 2400 and its the bottleneck.

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2005, 05:57:43 PM »
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How would 1MB L2 cache increase anything in AH2 ? I have no idea.

airmess



hi airmess,

basicly the extra 512 L2 cache allows the cpu to access info faster
without having to go to the HD for it. which in turn allows it to operate faster.

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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2005, 05:59:33 PM »
OIO,

email me lkoon@tampabay.rr.com  i might have something to save u alittle now, to allow u to go to X2 cpu.


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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2005, 07:18:13 AM »
1MB cache instead of 512 KB means your processor can have the data fast from the cache in 93 percent of the time instead of 90 percent.
Just saw, xp2400 has 246KB cache, then the rate is 85 to 93. Now missing the cache is not all that bad... costs some cpu cycles in theory but not that bad.

There is a theoretical speed up but it depends on the application how hard the hit is.

For AH or any other application speed ups below 30% are barely noticeable. So yes, its faster with more cache. Yes, there will be people talking of no noticeable speed up in jump from xp2400 to 64-3700. This doesnt mean there is no gain, this means when you up your resolution and quality sliders your can easyly overcompensate the improvements in the game and see none.

The 1MB cache itself gives little gain compared to 512kb unless if you use an application where its main loop + the data fit in 1MB but not in 512kB. With each cache miss you loose a little time, so haveing 3 percent less misses gives you 0.5 percent performance increase maybe.

The higher clock rate of the new chip, faster memory, new sse3 instructions if used, better jump prediction, less cache misses, better pipeline give the speed.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2005, 04:56:31 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2005, 05:32:59 PM »
thats a 754 model....wouldnt recommend it
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2005, 07:30:29 PM »
theres nothing wrong with this cpu, it probely runs just as fast as your 3200 and cost less, it for the buget shopper who still needs [power buts not afraid of 754 pin

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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2005, 07:34:31 PM »
of coarse its faster its 3700 vs 3200 and anyway my 3200 cost £100, the 3700 starts at around £200.

however buying 754 socket now, is like buying SDR ram.....virtualy no use in less than 1 year... hardly recommendable. buying such a "old" platform

he'd be better off getting a 939 board, with a 3500 1mb. Will cost the same and perform the same, and will have a upgrade path.

also the 754 socket CPU's are 130nm which are hotter and worse at overclocking
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2005, 07:59:07 PM »
thank god i dont overclock then;)

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2005, 08:39:46 PM »
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thank god i dont overclock then;)


whats that got to do with anything?:confused:
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2005, 05:40:10 AM »
One point is if your 754 cpu goes to hell for whatever reason it will be harder to find a replacement.

Second, its probably with an AGP motherboard then as there are few good PCIe motherboards with 754. If anyone know one would be intresting to hear. AGP, currently no problem but in 2 years hard to find new replacement cards.

Apart from that you are right... when you know all the disadvantages its still worth buying if you get a darn good deal. I would not buy it and i dont recomment it.


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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2005, 10:45:35 AM »
agp was the biggest reason i went with 754pin

didnt want to buy a new video card just yet, since i just purchased it on christmas.

i figured hell! in another 2-3 years ill have to upgrade video card and then i would just rebuild around a PCI express card (high end hopefully).;)

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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2005, 02:30:01 PM »
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agp was the biggest reason i went with 754pin

didnt want to buy a new video card just yet, since i just purchased it on christmas.

i figured hell! in another 2-3 years ill have to upgrade video card and then i would just rebuild around a PCI express card (high end hopefully).;)


thats odd as theres plently of AGP 939 boards out there. Mine being one of them
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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2005, 03:57:37 PM »
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thats odd as theres plently of AGP 939 boards out there. Mine being one of them


but why go 939 agp when agp is gonna be gone soon too

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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2005, 04:44:18 PM »
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but why go 939 agp when agp is gonna be gone soon too


well your the one that wants AGP? :confused:
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