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Krusher · « **Reply #120 on:** July 13, 2005, 10:23:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think this sentence pretty much sums this whole argument up. Rove attackers really are grasping at political straws here. Seriously when are democrats gonna learn? They apitimize the term "jump the gun", there political frothing of the mouth is all too apparent.

One could make alot of money doing some kind of betting pool. We could call it "political human sacrifice" and we could place bets on when and who the demacrats are going to demonize next.

Its amusing to watch all the drooling from the usual suspects

oboe · « **Reply #121 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:31:48 AM »

I agree with that assessment of the fair reading of the email.
Rove did identify Wilson's wife as a CIA employee, but it's an incredible stretch to call that email outing of an undercover operative.

Still waiting to hear Novak's story on the whole deal, and still wondering why there seems to be no heat on him to reveal what he knows.

Raider179 · « **Reply #122 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:45:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think this sentence pretty much sums this whole argument up. Rove attackers really are grasping at political straws here. Seriously when are democrats gonna learn? They apitimize the term "jump the gun", there political frothing of the mouth is all too apparent.

One could make alot of money doing some kind of betting pool. We could call it "political human sacrifice" and we could place bets on when and who the demacrats are going to demonize next.

Rove Identified her as working for the CIA. Rove named her as "wilson's wife". Sorry but if your NOT SURE if somone works for the agency isn't an Agent, you should keep your mouth shut.

Even if it is a mistake (which I doubt) He still cost her a career and jeopardized the lives of anyone she has worked with. The fact that Bush gives Rove his full support makes me sick to my stomach given the above repercussions of what Rove talking about her did.

Raider179 · « **Reply #123 on:** July 13, 2005, 12:22:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I think this sentence pretty much sums this whole argument up. Rove attackers really are grasping at political straws here. Seriously when are democrats gonna learn? They apitimize the term "jump the gun", there political frothing of the mouth is all too apparent.

One could make alot of money doing some kind of betting pool. We could call it "political human sacrifice" and we could place bets on when and who the demacrats are going to demonize next.

You cant be serious. Oh yeah good ol Karl just wants to make sure Time doesnt get a story wrong. How did he find out about the story? How did he know who authorized the trip? I see no reason he would know about any of that without finding out she was an agent. Claiming Rove was trying to help is about one of the funniest defenses I have heard in a long time.

Rude · « **Reply #124 on:** July 13, 2005, 12:25:53 PM »

Oh the pain!

Looks like not much has changed here...lol

Gunslinger · « **Reply #125 on:** July 13, 2005, 01:37:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
You cant be serious. Oh yeah good ol Karl just wants to make sure Time doesnt get a story wrong. How did he find out about the story? How did he know who authorized the trip? I see no reason he would know about any of that without finding out she was an agent. Claiming Rove was trying to help is about one of the funniest defenses I have heard in a long time.

yes and your theory that he outed an "agent" for the CIA for political reasons is entirly laughable for one simple thing....

PROOF

No law was broken here yet again we have the political "frothing of the mouth"

The conversation that took place was a brief 20 second one while Karl Rove was "heading out the door" so to speak.

But I guess in your eyes the evil mastermind himself KNEW for a fact that this story would leak out and he has nothing but distain for anyone who doesnt support him or the pres and would purposly put somone's life in danger??????

Cmon were is your proof that he broke ANY law?

oboe · « **Reply #126 on:** July 13, 2005, 01:43:07 PM »

The fact that an undercover CIA agent was exposed suggests the law was broken (although its not conclusive, and its still possible the law was not broken).

Clear evidence exists (the email) that Rove informed a reporter that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.

A revenge motive has been suggested, consistent with Rove's previous actions.

Plenty of smoke, but no fire yet.

Raider179 · « **Reply #127 on:** July 13, 2005, 02:05:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yes and your theory that he outed an "agent" for the CIA for political reasons is entirly laughable for one simple thing....

PROOF

No law was broken here yet again we have the political "frothing of the mouth"

The conversation that took place was a brief 20 second one while Karl Rove was "heading out the door" so to speak.

But I guess in your eyes the evil mastermind himself KNEW for a fact that this story would leak out and he has nothing but distain for anyone who doesnt support him or the pres and would purposly put somone's life in danger??????

Cmon were is your proof that he broke ANY law?

He released a CIA Agents identity to Cooper. Do you deny that? .

The thing that get me about conservatives is they love using labels to make the other side seem stupid, wrong, or unamerican. "Evil masterminds" and "frothing at the mouth" and the like. Like any case it takes time for "proof" to come to fruition.

Nice defense on your part but it doesnt hold water.

Short answer yes, I think karl has no second thoughts about dirty tricks to get the job done. Including putting people's lives at risk.

I am just guessing you havent went through the entire thread or you would have read about Rove getting fired from Bush Sr.'s campaign for a leak to Bob Novak.

Here is a little background info.

Karl Rove, senior political advisor to George W. Bush, is a very powerful man. That is not to say he has never been in trouble. Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush Sr. campaign for trashing Robert Mosbacher, Jr., who was the chief fundraiser for the campaign and an avowed Bush loyalist. Rove accomplished this trashing of Mosbacher by planting a negative story with columnist Bob Novak. The campaign figured out that Karl had done the dirty deed, and he was given his walking papers.

But I am sure he is really a nice guy, seeing he is so loyal as to stab his own candidate in the back when he wanted to.

Raider179 · « **Reply #128 on:** July 13, 2005, 02:16:00 PM »

Here is some more info I have found. Looks like another of Coopers "sources" was Cheney's top aide.

"Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources."

"In early October 2003, NEWSWEEK reported that immediately after Novak's column appeared in July, Rove called MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and told him that Wilson's wife was "fair game."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/

I guess what gets me is the blind loyalty of Republicans. How you defend Karl Rove when it is clear that there is at least a "reasonable suspicion" that he was behind it is amazing.

Let me ask a question.

Was it known that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA? If not then that revelation alone that she worked there would have compromised her status as an agent. She no longer would be able to go undercover.

Eagler · « **Reply #129 on:** July 13, 2005, 02:29:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
Here is some more info I have found. Looks like another of Coopers "sources" was Cheney's top aide.

"Cooper agreed to discuss his contact with Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's top aide, after Libby gave him permission to do so. But Cooper drew the line when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald asked about other sources."

"In early October 2003, NEWSWEEK reported that immediately after Novak's column appeared in July, Rove called MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and told him that Wilson's wife was "fair game."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/

I guess what gets me is the blind loyalty of Republicans. How you defend Karl Rove when it is clear that there is at least a "reasonable suspicion" that he was behind it is amazing.

Let me ask a question.

Was it known that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA? If not then that revelation alone that she worked there would have compromised her status as an agent. She no longer would be able to go undercover.

"undercover"?
I think she still goes under any covers she did before

talk about a mountain out of a mole hill... is this the best the dems got?

DrDea · « **Reply #130 on:** July 13, 2005, 02:50:55 PM »

This is a woman that was poseinmg in a magazine when this all came out.I dont think her "Cover" was blown by anyone but herself as far as "Covert" ops.If Rove rat her out,which each day looks even more doubtfull then he needs to fry.You Dems really are frothing at the mouth here.Remember Dan Rather and let it play out.

DrDea · « **Reply #131 on:** July 13, 2005, 02:54:20 PM »

Oh and I scored left of center on the Liberterian side.

Raider179 · « **Reply #132 on:** July 13, 2005, 03:06:49 PM »

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Originally posted by DrDea
This is a woman that was poseinmg in a magazine when this all came out.I dont think her "Cover" was blown by anyone but herself as far as "Covert" ops.If Rove rat her out,which each day looks even more doubtfull then he needs to fry.You Dems really are frothing at the mouth here.Remember Dan Rather and let it play out.

What magazine? Got a link? I cant find any info on this...More republican propaghanda?

I notice you repubs sidestep things like Rove leaking info to Novak previously.

or Rove's comments about her being "fair game"

but thats fine what would I expect from people who would impeach a president for having a mistress.

Raider179 · « **Reply #133 on:** July 13, 2005, 03:12:16 PM »

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Originally posted by DrDea
If Rove rat her out,which each day looks even more doubtfull then he needs to fry.

Where you got it looks more doubtful from amazes me.

Even The old man himself is keeping his distance.

President Bush said Wednesday he will withhold judgment about top aide Karl Rove's involvement in the leaking the identity of a CIA operative until a federal criminal investigation is complete.

"I also will not prejudge the investigation based on media reports," he said, when asked whether Rove acted improperly in discussing CIA officer Valerie Plame with a reporter.

Bush's statement was a surprise for some White House advisers and senior Republicans who had expected the president to deliver a vote of confidence for Rove, his deputy chief of staff.

Prejudge? lmao bush he is sitting behind you just ask him. You dont need the media to tell you...

oh thats right you wont talk about it.

Bush refused to directly answer questions about whether he had spoken to Rove about his discussion with Cooper.

Earlier, first lady Laura Bush, talking to reporters while traveling in Africa, called Rove "a very good friend" but said she did not want to talk about the investigation

cnn.com

But yeah your right looks more doubtful all the time. sheesh.

DrDea · « **Reply #134 on:** July 13, 2005, 03:28:37 PM »

I'll try to dig you up a link but it was Vanity Fair.Heard it on the news today.Theirs alot coming out every day about this and for the record no,Slick Willy shouldnt have been Impeached for a BJ.He should have been looked into for all the deaths in Whitewater.If Roves dirty I'd be happy to see his arse fry.As far as Laura not wanting to discuss the situation?Thats common in an investigation.