Wireless Haxxor Busted

[Lizking]

No laser, that is not my analogy at all.  A bike that is simply laying there is different than a bike that has a sign (i.e. is broadcasting a signal) indicating that it is available for anyone who cares to take it.

[lasersailor184]

No, that's not how it is.


There isn't a sign on the side of the house saying that the Wireless broadcasting doesn't have any encryption.

Nor does the bike in my analogy have a sign on it saying that it's free to take.


I was correct by saying that through your analogy the bike that isn't locked down is free to take.

[Wolfala]

Man, its guys like this that give brokeass pilots like me a bad name. I mean, check this out - in my apartment complex alone we have 9 WiFi networks to choose from - 7 of which are non-WEP enabled. 4 of which are 3 MB upstream, the one of which I choose to leach off. Its stupid in a way, because the simple reality is you can't wack a guy unless you have some DF gear. And even then, its pointless to go after.

Just the news making a big deal out of nothing important, as usual.

[Lizking]

Lasar, I will try one more time to explain the difference, just because.

An RF network uses public frequencies.  Encryption is provided free, and the ignorance of it's use is no more relevant than any other law of which you may be ignorant.  Ignorance is no excuse, and the provider of the signal is liable for it's security.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, that's not how it is.


There isn't a sign on the side of the house saying that the Wireless broadcasting doesn't have any encryption.

Nor does the bike in my analogy have a sign on it saying that it's free to take.


I was correct by saying that through your analogy the bike that isn't locked down is free to take.

Not its more like this:
Where you live there is a common pool of bikes free for tourists to use (I've been somewhere like this, can't remember where though... some tourist spot). You leave your bike *outside* your property, unlocked, with instructions on how to ride it beside the bike. Some tourist comes along and rides off on it.

[ASTAC]

geez..i read over that attractive nuiscence stuff...what a load of CRAP. Even if you had a circus in your backyard..if someone is trespassing, they are trespassing and the owner should never be liable...I never even knew about this before..another infringment of property rights and another  loophole for criminals. Trying to find out how long this crap has been around..anyone know?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by ASTAC
geez..i read over that attractive nuiscence stuff...what a load of CRAP. Even if you had a circus in your backyard..if someone is trespassing, they are trespassing and the owner should never be liable...I never even knew about this before..another infringment of property rights and another  loophole for criminals. Trying to find out how long this crap has been around..anyone know?

Too long.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by rpm


Nils, stay outa Florida!

hehe... they would never catch me cause im a haaxor geniouses dude ehh.. besides i use a mac they are uber. Right Vulcan?

Seriously..

Sounds like the laws are kinda similar. Over here one is free to access all wifi networks that are _not secured_ and use internet. You can not however access other computers on that network.

[StarOfAfrica2]

You guys are so full of it.  You want to blame the guy who bought the equipment?  It may sound easy to you, but trust me, I have helped soooooo many people setup computers that JUST DONT GET IT.  I swear they really and truly cannot comprehend how a computer functions, let alone how a wireless router broadcasts or assigns IP addresses.  The problem is not the owners, its the manufacturers.  Unlike vehicles, where you have to show proficiency to be able to operate one, computers are sold to anyone with the cashola.  A large percentage of them can barely use one to check email, let alone configure a wireless network for security.  To them, a firewall is the brick in the back of the fireplace.  Viruses are something you go to the doctor for, not download fixes for.  Spyware is something off the Mission Impossible movie.

Until someone puts pressure on the industry to configure these setups as SECURE BY DEFAULT, there are going to be people taking advantage of the ones who buy the equipment and dont know how to set it up.  Thats not an "attractive nuisance", its just a person who is in over his head.

[Khyron]

Not sure what it is in your jurisdictions, but in most jurisdictions, attractive nuisance concerns laying out things attractive to children.  So unless it's kiddy hackers out there you're pulling in that you're concerned with, it usually would not apply.

[Furious]

If you are broadcasting unsecured into the public right of way, then you are providing public access.

[Bluedog]

Theres this 18 year old chick lives down the road from me, and catches a bus on the corner near my house most days.
Problem is, she's HOT, and every time she's standing around waiting for the bus she distracts me from what ever it is I should be doing.
Attractive nuisance by definition.

[Fishu]

Are you allowed to walk into other people's houses, if the door is unlocked?
No.

Are you allowed to use their property for your own benefit?
No.

[Russian]

The guy that got caught WAR driving is not l33t enough...noob

Many compter geeks drive around looking for open AP, and depending if they are white hat, they usually warn retards about their open hole. But some have fun, like uploading porn to noob's system.