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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2005, 07:03:49 PM »
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Plus... he played an intricate part in training and operations for the L`il, big eared fellow from Texas to get our people out of Iran when, once again, our government wouldn`t.


If anyone here hasn't read the book Ken Follet wrote about that, they've missed out bigtime.

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2005, 07:08:40 PM »
it is a common misconseption to say that Zhukov just hurled men into battle. he was in fact a brilliant commander.


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BURNSIDE!?!?! he was probably one of the worst generals ever to see a war. he was hesitant and indecisive and wasted the lives of many a fine soldier at Fredricksburg and Antietam.

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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2005, 07:18:33 PM »
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it is a common misconseption to say that Zhukov just hurled men into battle. he was in fact a brilliant commander.


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BURNSIDE!?!?! he was probably one of the worst generals ever to see a war. he was hesitant and indecisive and wasted the lives of many a fine soldier at Fredricksburg and Antietam.


huh...

you suddenly jumped from Zhukhov to Grant:D (but i understand)

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2005, 07:52:31 PM »
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I have doubts wheter to put G. K. Zhukhov  (Red Army) and G. S. Grant (Union Army) in the top 5, 10. These commanders had nothing special except overwhelm the enemy with HUGE ###s. Imo Grant and Zhukhov don't care how many soldiers die in the battlefiled; their concern is to reload their armies with more manpower and weapons;)


Yep, Grants claim to fame was that he was the first Union Commander in the East who would take it to the enemy and use his superior numbers like a meat grinder, that and he didn't make mistakes. Otherwise, mediocre. For instance, see the wilderness campaign.

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2005, 07:56:00 PM »
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R.E Lee. - Faught successfully often with enferiour equipment and at a numerical disadvantage.



Lee at times was briliant, other times not. To his advantage, he had excellent commanders under him. Jackson for his lightning offense and "mystification" and Longstreet one of the best defensive tacticians of the war.

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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2005, 07:57:48 PM »
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for sea there is no question: Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson!




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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2005, 07:59:17 PM »
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Hap Arnold
Billy Mitchell
Jimmy Doolittle
Curtiss E. Lemay
Carl Spaatz
Ira C. Eaker
Douglas MacArthur

and Chesty Puller.



Huh?  


Uh..OK I get it.

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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2005, 08:01:44 PM »
Who was the Japanese Admiral who wooped hell out of the Russians back before WW2? Might've been before WW1...anyway, he did number on em.

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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2005, 08:07:31 PM »
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Gotta nominate Schwartzkopf as well for the way he was able to work with such disparate forces in such a smooth way. Short campaign I know but hell of a task none the less.



Have to overrule on Schwartzie, his battle plan for Gulf 1 was over ruled by Chaney, Powell and Boyd. He took credit, but from what I've been reading his "big idea" was a straight up the middle push that would've cost alot of men there lives.

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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2005, 08:14:31 PM »
Orde Wingate ( think thats how you spell it )


David Sterling ( SAS )


Breaking the rules for a moment and including Air
Arthur Harris


Hugh Dowding
 

That'll do for now.

Though I'd add
Gavin
Rommel
Manstein
Monty

WW2 is my bag.

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« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2005, 08:59:23 PM »
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Lee at times was briliant, other times not. To his advantage, he had excellent commanders under him. Jackson for his lightning offense and "mystification" and Longstreet one of the best defensive tacticians of the war.


True. but the key to any great commander is not only his abilities but those of his subordinate commanders
And the proper placement and application of said commanders talents.

In WWII for example Monty would have in all likelyhood done poorly in operation Cobra He simply wasnt audacous enough.
whereas Patton probably wouldnt have done so well running along the coast.

It can be asked if teh subordinate commanders make the  general great, or the other way around.
I think they make each other.
But the ultimate decisions, responcability and recognition usually falls on the general in overall command.

You mention both Jackson and Longstreet. Both IMO could be mentioned in the same breath of Lee, Patton, Monty, Napoleon.
Both were outstanding generals.
But would they have been so successful had a lesser commander been in command and not used them where and how they would do best?


On another note
There was nothing particularly brilliant about Grant. His main asset is he was willing to fight a war of attrition.
Sherman was probably the more capable or at least the more imaginative of the two and his willingness to not be tied to his lines of supply was pretty remarkable for the time
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« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2005, 09:01:41 PM »
Erwin Rommel is one of the best leaders because he was good at deception. He turned a battle in North Africa by making The "dummy" brigade, basicly it was a bunch of wooden tanks mounted on Kubelwagon chasis. He made a british spy open his mouth in horror when he saw tank after tank rolling around the block, actuly only 20 tanks did this but it gave the illusion tha 500 tanks were circling the city. Hitler didnt get assasinated so the &^$&^@$(donkey) killed evry good General he had.  Hitler, what an IDIOT!

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« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2005, 11:13:17 PM »
Erwin Rommel makes the likes of Patton look like a boy scout.

Alexander and Hannibal being the greatest of all.


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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2005, 11:18:16 PM »
Schwarzkopf by any measurement.

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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2005, 11:23:19 PM »
Hmm, lots of good ones mentioned.

I nominate Nathan B Forrest
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