Bring on the Spitfires!

[thrila]

It would be great if clipped wings could be chosen in the loadout screen as with bombs/rockets.  To be honest i would be over the moon if even a single spit had clipped wings.

I do like Karnak's list.

[Greebo]

Originally posted by thrila
It would be great if clipped wings could be chosen in the loadout screen as with bombs/rockets.  To be honest i would be over the moon if even a single spit had clipped wings.

I do like Karnak's list.

I suggested something like this recently to HTC, but was told it isn't possible. The bits like weapon pylons that are removeable in the loadout screen don't have all the necessary forces modelled.

[Krusty]

There is no way in heck the spitfire 1 had +12 (the same as the spitfire Vb), when it had far far inferior performance and an earlier engine. Dream on.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer
So you want a game called US fighters?
 

We`ll put Mr. Hines on that right away.
Want to invest some cash?

[Karnak]

Kev367th,

The performance at +25lbs boost very well might require a 5 to 10 perk point price.  It would out perform the current +18lbs boost Spitfire Mk XIV at lower altitudes.

Originally posted by Krusty
There is no way in heck the spitfire 1 had +12 (the same as the spitfire Vb), when it had far far inferior performance and an earlier engine. Dream on.

This has been covered.  The BoB Spitfire Mk Is were at +12lbs boost.

Unless you have some evidence that counters the rather firm evidence for the +12lbs boost Spitfire Mk Is I suggest you accept that they were at +12lbs.

I don;t really understand why you think the fact that the initial Spitfire MK Vs were at +12lbs boost means that the Spitfire Mk Is could not have been.

Does the Spitfire Mk XIV's initial +18lbs boost mean that the Spitfire LF.Mk IX could not have been at +18lbs, or even +25lbs, boost then?

[Kev367th]

Karnak - Yes maybe faster at lower alts than our current XIV, this is no reason to perk it. Geez, still plenty of unperked faster low alt planes than a 25lbs boost XVI.

Krusty - Spit 1 Merlins converison for 100 fuel began March 1940, the fuel was released to squadrons in May 1940, the same time Churchill came to power, co-incidence? I think not.
They had stockpiled huge amounts of 100 grade fuel before the war even began.
The only Spit 1's that 'might' have used 87 grade fuel in wartime would have been during the Battle of France.

[Skydancer]

"We`ll put Mr. Hines on that right away.
Want to invest some cash?"

I already invest my cash in this game every month as do many others from around the world. Therefore I think it right that other nationalities planes get done as well as US planes.

So Jackal the answer is no I don't

[Squire]

Pyro, the problem is if you just have one version of the SpitV, the SpitVb of 1941 is of less use overall than a SpitVc (length of service, theaters of ops, it has a bomb, ect), imho anyways.

If I had to pick one it would be the Spit Vc of 1942 but I dont know what additions you have planned, we have to guess  

Its also been pointed out that the 109F-4 runs at a 1942 ata rating in AH, so while everybody clamors for a 1941 Spit Vb, none of the LW fighters are from 1941 (109F-4, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5). Im talking about TOD matchups not just the MA.

It would be great to have both the Spit Vb (1941 rated) and Spit Vc (1942 rated), that would cover the bases for the Mk.V. If the 109F-4 stays as is, thats not a big deal.

...and of course an un-hybrid F. IXc and a 43-44 LF IXc (or LF VIIIc or LF XVIe).

Regards.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Squire
Pyro, the problem is if you just have one version of the SpitV, the SpitVb of 1941 is of less use overall than a SpitVc (length of service, theaters of ops, it has a bomb, ect), imho anyways.

If I had to pick one it would be the Spit Vc of 1942 but I dont know what additions you have planned, we have to guess  

Its also been pointed out that the 109F-4 runs at a 1942 ata rating in AH, so while everybody clamors for a 1941 Spit Vb, none of the LW fighters are from 1941 (109F-4, 109G-2, Fw 190A-5). Im talking about TOD matchups not just the MA.

It would be great to have both the Spit Vb (1941 rated) and Spit Vc (1942 rated), that would cover the bases for the Mk.V. If the 109F-4 stays as is, thats not a big deal.

...and of course an un-hybrid F. IXc and a 43-44 LF IXc (or LF VIIIc or LF XVIe).

Regards.

I'd still go with a Vb instead of a Vc.  It was much more the dominant Spit V flying out of England.  They were Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44.

The Vc ended up more often in the MTO, CBI and Pac, and even then in the MTO there were lots of Vbs.

In terms of the MA I think, in particular if you have the increased boost in the LFV that the lower ammo load might slow the use down a bit.

So I'd still go with:

Spit Ia  (covers 39 through 40 & B of B)
Spit Vb full span wings (41-42
Spit LFVIII with full span, universal wings (covers 43-45 in MTO, CBI and Pac Stand in for LFIX with universal wing43-45)
Spit LFIXe/XVIe with clipped wings(44-45 ETO)
Spit XIVe with full span wings. (44-45 ETO and CBI)

That gives the most coverage and bang for your buck whether it be scenarios or MA use.

Edited to add image of one of those 1944 Vbs of 501

Dan/CorkyJr

[1K3]

(cough)

imo we still need Spit 9 (with merlin 61) stop-gap fighter to cover 1942-43

[Kweassa]

- Spitfires-

    Spitfire MK.Ia ('40)
    Spitfire F.MK.Vb ('41)
    Spitfire F.Mk.Vc ('42)
    Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42)
    Spitfire LF.MK.VIIIc ('43)
    Spitfire LF.MK.XVIe ('44)
    Spitfire F.MK.XIVe ('44) (perked)

    7 planes, representing 5 years of combat

    Notes:

    * Spitfire F.MK.Vb('41) will be restricted to the 'b-wing' armament option. Total 120 rounds of 20mm cannons(60rpg)

    * Spitfire F.MK.Vc('42) will be allowed the use of the 'universal wing' armament options. It will be given a hangar armament option of;

    a) 8x 30cal
    b) 4x 30cal + 2x 20mm(120rpg)

    The 4x 20mm option for all the Spitfire variants with 'c' wings, is open for debate.

    *The Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42) will be removed of bombs, rockets, and M2 50cals.

    *The Spitfire LF.Mk VIIIc will use the Merlin 66 engine, full length Universal wing. It will substitute the 1943 LF.Mk IX, as well as be suitable for Med. and Pac. theater usage.

    *The Spitfire LF.Mk XVIe, will use the 1580 hp Packard R.R. Merlin266 at +25lbs Boost. Clipped wings, bubble canopy, and "E" wing option, with M2 50cals available. It's performance is between the Spit8 and the Spit14, and will be the best performing, free Spitfire.

    *The Spitfire F.Mk XIV, will be raised to +21lbs boost to justify it's perked status and keep it as the ultimate Spitfire in AH.






    quote:

    - Bf109s-

    Bf109E-4 ('40)
    Bf109F-4 ('41)
    Bf109G-2 ('42)
    Bf109G-6 ('43)
    Bf109G-14 ('44)
    Bf109G-10 ('44)
    Bf109K-4 ('44) (perked)

    7 planes, representing five years of combat

    Notes:

    * All the Bf109 models(E-4~G-6), that does not use MW50, will be corrected in the WEP duration time, shortened to 5 minutes.

    * The Bf109G-14, will use the DB605AM. MW50, 10min. WEP duration. 414mph max. speed

    * The Bf109G-10, will be using the DB605DBM, 428mph top speed. This will the best performing free Bf109.

    * The Bf109K-4, will be modelled separately from the G-10 - different engine cowl, fully retractable tail wheel.

    This model will retain the former AH G-10 top speed of 452mph, and become the ultimate Bf109. It will be perked. Perhaps, inclusion of rare equipment such as Fletnners, or type U6 option with 2x MK108 wing gondolas could be justified, due to the newly introduced perk prices.

[Guppy35]

* Spitfire F.MK.Vc('42) will be allowed the use of the 'universal wing' armament options. It will be given a hangar armament option of;
 a) 8x 30cal
b) 4x 30cal + 2x 20mm(120rpg)

The 4x 20mm option for all the Spitfire variants with 'c' wings, is open for debate.

There is no evidence that the Spitfire Vc ever used 8 303's.  It was capable, but it wasn't used in practice.

There were some early Spitfire Va's with 8 303s but they were not universal wing Spits.  Douglas Bader's kite being one of these.

If I had a say, and I know I don't  I wouldn't have the 4 20mm cannon armament usable in the MA.  It might make sense for  scenario use in a latewar MTO scenario, as they did get used in the ground attack role there with 4 20mms.  But they weren't dog fighters in that configuration.

Still think the XVIe should be a high back as the skinning options for wartime XVIs would be much greater, and I think they look better, but that's just me

Dan/CorkyJr

[Squire]

"Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44."

-Thats an Spit L.F. Vb.

From Spring 1943 with a +18 lbs boost Merlin 50M. It has no relation to a 1941 Spit Vb Guppy.

...and yes you do need a Spit F.IX otherwise you have nothing for 1942-early 43 at all.

[Ack-Ack]

Weren't the Spitfire Vc that were launched off carriers to reinforce Malta air defenses configured with the 4x 20mm cannons and didn't Vc also see limited service over Greece in a fighter role?


ack-ack

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Squire
"Vbs flying with 501 Squadron over Normandy as an example in 44."

-Thats an Spit L.F. Vb.

From Spring 1943 with a +18 lbs boost Merlin 50M. It has no relation to a 1941 Spit Vb Guppy.

...and yes you do need a Spit F.IX otherwise you have nothing for 1942-early 43 at all.

Understood on the LF part of the equation.  I'm thinking more of the armament option.  

If we are limited to one Spit V, I think it still should be the earlier Vb.  It could stand in for a 44 Vb should it ever be needed in a scenario.

Obviously if we got more then one, then the Vb and Vc idea makes great sense

I'm just not holding my breath on that.

Dan/CorkyJr