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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2005, 09:45:46 PM »
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Weren't the Spitfire Vc that were launched off carriers to reinforce Malta air defenses configured with the 4x 20mm cannons and didn't Vc also see limited service over Greece in a fighter role?


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The Spit Vcs launched off the Wasp had 4 cannon.  But once down, two were removed to save weight and increase performance.  It was a convnient way to get more 20 mms to Malta as well.

Vcs saw a lot of action over Malta, Siciily and Italy.

The only place I've ever seen photos of 4 cannon Spits used operationally on a squadron wide basis was with 2 Squadron SAAF over Italy in the ground attack role.

Images of top to bottom, 2 Squadron 4 cannon Spit Vc over Italy.
Spit Vc with 4 cannon being loaded on to Wasp
Spit Vc from Wasp after repaint on Wasp and removal of 2 cannon after arrival on Malta.

Not many are going to want the performance robbing Vokes filter to go with those 4 cannons either :)

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« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2005, 09:50:52 PM »
In regards to the Spit VIII or Spit LF IX for 43-44, my preference is the Spit LF IX.

Reason: TOD will be ETO and the LF IX served in ETO and MED. It was also the most used varient of the Merlin 66 Spits.

It would help to know what new types if any were coming, because we are debating "what ifs" dependant on types we dont know will be added. Thats ok, Im just saying its hard to decide when you are guessing .

*Kweassa's list is still very good for both the 109s and Spits, I hope HTC has a hard look at it.*

P.S. 4 x 20mm for the Spit Vc. I say "no" as it was a minor varient and its potential for overuse is high. Same with the 109F-4s gondolas, take them off.
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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2005, 10:11:33 PM »
Yup get rid of the gondolas with the 109F-4.

Kweassa's list is perfect for AH.

 Spitfire MK.Ia ('40)
Spitfire F.MK.Vb ('41)
Spitfire F.Mk.Vc ('42)
Spitfire F.Mk IXc ('42)
Spitfire LF.MK.VIIIc ('43)
Spitfire LF.MK.XVIe ('44)
Spitfire F.MK.XIVe ('44)

I am not sure if it matters whether HT does a LF.VIII or an LF.IX. WETO will probrably get the most focus in ToD as Squire says. However, If they do a VIII they might be convinced to add a clipped wing LF.IX at some point.

As for having to Spit V variants (Vb @ 12lbs and Vc @ 16lbs) I think that would be a great idea.

But certainly no 4 x 2cm...

The main 109 needed for AH and ToD is the G-14. It would great if HT could do a separate G-10 and K-4 (or just get rid of the 2cm option and call it a K-4).

However, all the wishful thinking so far hasn't gotten that much...

My prediction is...

No new 109s

1 new Spitfire and it will be Spitfire LF.MK IX clipped wing...

I am 55% - 45% on the new Spitfire. After all there's still a P-51H, P-38K, P-63c that AH doesn't have. We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes...
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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2005, 10:28:48 PM »
nah, just add the Bearcat.
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« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2005, 01:10:37 AM »
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I am 55% - 45% on the new Spitfire. After all there's still a P-51H, P-38K, P-63c that AH doesn't have. We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes...



Well we will never see a p38K , iirc there was only two built and one was actually a P-38E converted to a K , used to test  the high activity Hamilton standard props .  The only actually P-38K was never photographed . .....     38
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« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2005, 12:09:35 PM »
I guess my attempt at sarcasm slipped by...
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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2005, 12:43:09 PM »
you need to be a bit more blatant, they are a bit slow...  try this: -

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« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2005, 03:30:26 PM »
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you need to be a bit more blatant, they are a bit slow...  try this: -

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YEAH@!!!# We need new F4U's and a B29!!#@!#!@
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« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2005, 10:34:00 PM »
Something to consider re the Malta Spitfires as well, since they were often scrambled on short notice rate of climb was very important. I think they felt that what firepower addition 4 cannons might have given, the extra weight and drag was simply not worth it.  In ground attack roles...thats not as big an issue. Which is why you rarely see 4 cannon spits unless they are Vcs in the Desert or Med doing fighter-bomber duty.
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« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2005, 02:50:23 AM »
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I guess my attempt at sarcasm slipped by...

Well the p-51h and the P-63c where both delivered before the end of WW2 , the p-38K was a prototype , So if your going to be sarcastic , try to be more over the top than that .
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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2005, 03:04:12 AM »
Delivery? Who mentioned delivery?

The sarcasm is here and obvious:

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We all know AH needs more late war Ami planes..


Maybe I should have phrased it like Furball:

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« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2005, 04:07:00 AM »
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The sarcasm is here and obvious:



he's a MAW.... :D ;)

maybe start adding colours to the sentence to highlight sarcasm to make it easier for them
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« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2005, 04:14:12 AM »
This thread needs more pictures: -





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« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2005, 01:11:59 PM »
Spitfire LF Mk. XVI (model)

YUMMY!:D

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« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2005, 01:16:16 PM »
Bf-109G-14 (courtesy of Il-2)

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