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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #105 on: July 24, 2005, 10:23:06 AM »
don't know much about the welch...  Aren't they just subjects that the brits conquered?

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« Reply #106 on: July 24, 2005, 10:27:36 AM »
IIRC didn't the innitial reports say he was fleeing from undercover or plain clothes Officers?? This puts a bit of a different spin on things as there would be no way for the guy to instantly know they WERE police. Anyone can yell "stop Police!" and it doesn't mean they were Officers. Given that situation and not having Uniformed Officers standing by the area of the surveilance out of sight or in the subway station entrance it puts a different perspective on just why the guy ran from pursuing people who had guns.

Just another thought t ponder here.
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« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2005, 11:55:54 AM »
I think people are getting cranked up prematurely.  The fun hasn't even started in earnest yet...
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« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2005, 11:58:37 AM »
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I think people are getting cranked up prematurely.  The fun hasn't even started in earnest yet...


elaborate please
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« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2005, 12:17:02 PM »
If these terrorist attacks continue,  there will be more examples of innocent people caught up in tragic scenarios like this Brazilian got caught up in.  Naturally, these incidents will be politised for all they are worth.  There are going to be backlashes against innocent Muslims.  Burn outs, profiling ( it is being done now - with good reason.) Moderate Muslim sentiment may react to the backlashes or harrassment that they feel, only adding to the pressures.  If terror continues in England, you will see it.  Islamists will point to these.

Its really almost like magic. Terrorism sows endless problems in a free society.

Terrorism is the ultimate weapon of the militarily weak.  

So, Nilsen, why wouldn't terrorists continue attacks?  

It really is a war.
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« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2005, 12:35:18 PM »
just the reference to "fun"

but carry on, im not gonna get involved in this debate. :)
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« Reply #111 on: July 24, 2005, 12:46:56 PM »
The reference to "fun" was sarcasm, I think you know.  

I really don't think there is too much of a debate.  Whether terrorism happens in your country or mine, the results are much the same.
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« Reply #112 on: July 24, 2005, 02:25:25 PM »
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IIRC didn't the innitial reports say he was fleeing from undercover or plain clothes Officers?? This puts a bit of a different spin on things as there would be no way for the guy to instantly know they WERE police. Anyone can yell "stop Police!" and it doesn't mean they were Officers. Given that situation and not having Uniformed Officers standing by the area of the surveilance out of sight or in the subway station entrance it puts a different perspective on just why the guy ran from pursuing people who had guns.

Just another thought t ponder here.



I must say though that if anyone with a gun(be it police or just a guy) tells me to stop, I'm gonna stop. Even if you don't understand the language, I don't think it would be hard to get the idea. Even if you think your getting robbed or afraid about your visa, when someone with a gun tells you to stop, unless you can outrun a bullet, your best bet is to stop. I don't think it's a good thing that he got shot, but if I were in his shoes I'd have stopped and answered yes sir, no sir and maybe thank you sir.
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« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2005, 03:44:52 PM »
From Chairboy's link: "Plainclothes police chased the man onto an underground train on Friday after he ignored warnings to stop, shooting him five times in the head because they feared he was carrying a bomb and was going to detonate it."

Damn.  You can strike this up as another point for the terrorists.  The cops were in an impossible situation, and it looks like the dude who got shot was a victim of circumstance.
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« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2005, 04:02:59 PM »
Hrmmm...it's still amazing what people will accept to help them feel safer...

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« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2005, 04:42:16 PM »
Not many peeps get hurt by cops when  saying  "Yessir, nosir"...following directions, etc. ---Getting out of car, threatening said cop, running, eventually cop may resond in only method he is competent in----  .357
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« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2005, 05:04:02 PM »
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ya best do it on the side of caution..



That's funny, you seem to think that executing an innocent man is erring on the side of caution.
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« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2005, 05:10:05 PM »
He was innocent of terrorism. But there must've been a reason why he ran away from the Police. A very stupid thing to do given the current situation. As was said maybe he was an illegal. Maybe he'd outstayed his Visa. So not totaly innocent. Its sad and a  disaster for his family and those officers involved but why the hell didn't he use his grey matter and stop when told.
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« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2005, 06:00:26 PM »
You mean when the plain clothes officers told him to stop?  Perhaps he didn't know they were cops.
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« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2005, 06:36:38 PM »
Those Officers were faced with an impossible situation. They had what they thought was another bomber. The info they had was sketchy at best but they had to do something to reduce or remove the possiblility of another bombing. The fact that they continued on after a potential bomber speaks volumes. A sane person would think real hard to stop the chase instead of running after what they were afraid was a live bomb on a suicidal maniac. Who wants to be the first to arrive at an exploding bomb?

It was a tragic situation but the individual has some of the blame himself. He had the option to stop when told to do so.

Here's an exercise for all you armchair generals, especially you thrawn. What should they have done given the information they had?
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