Author Topic: Asian Man Shot Dead on London Tube (Read 4366 times)

ravells · « **Reply #135 on:** July 25, 2005, 06:51:11 PM »

Habu,

This is not Israel, this is London.

People have the right to run away from many things without being shot dead. That is part of our definition of freedom.

I believe it's the same in your country too.

It's very easy for you to say that he ran away for the wrong reason, but it's the first time in this country that someone has had five bullets put into his head for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You can cast it in your light of black and white, but whatever you may say, this situation was grey and we got it wrong...an innocent man was killed.

Your sense of justification is that because a few bombs were blown up in London that makes it justifiable for us to lose our right to have the life we had before. I don't buy it.

I for one would like to live in a country in which I could run away from what I see as a percieved threat without losing my life. You of course can choose a different path. Good luck in your world.

I do appreciate that we are living in times where life and death decisions have to made by people who are trying to keep death off our streets. Your problem is that you don't see this as a mistake (which it was) but a by product of preconception.

Ravs

ravells · « **Reply #136 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:18:48 PM »

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Hangtime · « **Reply #137 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:23:58 PM »

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ravells · « **Reply #138 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:35:07 PM »

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Rolex · « **Reply #139 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:54:19 PM »

We don't really know that anyone did tell him to stop, Hang. We don't know if their guns were drawn at all until he entered the train.

Now it turns out that he was shot 8 times. It also has come out that the in the area he lived in before this, it was well known that you are going to get hurt if you disobeyd a policeman.

I still say we are all jumping to conclusions without the facts. People here saying that he was a 'perp' or was 'an ignorant immigrant' and deserved this fate is premature - and ignorant.

Terrorists created the hair trigger tension and they are to blame.

What if it turns out that he was late for work and running to the train while listening to music on headphones?

Hangtime · « **Reply #140 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:54:58 PM »

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Habu · « **Reply #141 on:** July 25, 2005, 07:59:11 PM »

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ravells · « **Reply #142 on:** July 25, 2005, 08:17:43 PM »

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but you're still a git (albeit a well meaning one( - will they see this?

MP3 · « **Reply #143 on:** July 25, 2005, 08:26:32 PM »

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ravells · « **Reply #144 on:** July 25, 2005, 08:30:00 PM »

OK....ok...sheeh.

Ravs

lazs2 · « **Reply #145 on:** July 26, 2005, 08:05:57 AM »

sooo... maybe I was wrong.... maybe brits shouldn't have guns.

lazs

DoctorYO · « **Reply #146 on:** July 26, 2005, 09:23:40 AM »

First he was asian..

Then he ran.. (unconfirmed without cctv footage)(they said he hopped the turn isle but every subway ive ever been on has a camera there for just that to bust free loaders.. wheres the still shot..)(5 days later still nothing..)

now they are saying he had a expired visa to justify the running (not confirmed, odd isn't it.. what his immagration papers at home office are gone magically... or are they being doctored clickly click click style BOFH the register.co.uk style..)(unless he had multiple copies mailed around the world of it im shure they searched his flat already and confiscated any documents of interest..who's watching the watchers..were talking international incident dont think it wouldn't be warranted)

No CCTV footage is released yet.. (london tube im shure there is plenty..) (yet other tube suspects have their cctv footage with multiple angles profiles on every major news agency in the world..)

no body has been released yet.. (strange he's cleared of terrorism and we are on day 4-5 considering when they bagged his body..)(Im Pat ******* tillman tactics anyone..)

spoke fluent english.. had trade skill and his family was completely dependent on him.. been in england for 3 years im shure he knew the system.. so the dumb mistake factor is un credible..

note he is the only suspect they didn't have a complete dossier on him within 48 hours blaring on every news channel.. wonder why.. (status of visa, his description (asian) multiple angles/profiles of his picture. etc.. where is it..)

in my opinion given the current evidence** and reluctance to release the footage (the big one) , the body (this is bad also), and now the magic visa expiration yet completely unconfirmed being reported as news with no documentation supporting such..(straw says one thing unconfirmed reports say another such as "could have been expired"

You would think that considering the international row (not just brazil but the world) they have just created they would be more than forthcomming with the evidence, the exact opposite is happening..

make your own deductions..

DoctorYo

**(ill give it more time but currently there is something very wrong going on.. to many holes and govt is not being forthcomming with it; my question is why?)

Dowding · « **Reply #147 on:** July 26, 2005, 09:57:21 AM »

Your use of brackets disturbs me more than any conspiracy theory.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #148 on:** July 26, 2005, 11:04:36 AM »

has nothing to do with conspiracy has to do with blundering police murder of guests or citizens..

look at what brazil did when the US jerked its citizens with visas etc.. Look how quickly they retaliated toward the US citizens throwing them into jail / roughing them for giving the finger etc.. talk back etc.. I wouldn't surprise me if the ball isn't already rolling internally to harass/kill britons in brazil knowing Brazils loving police force, and the British Govt would be in its best interest with both brazil and the world market to justify this killing any way they can.. Becuase imo Brazil will retailiate one way or another do your history they dont take no crap when it comes to their citizens..

So conspiracy i'd say no.. international diplomacy yes.. this isn't rocket science..

I think your whole tune will change when its your family member / friend or any briton for that matter..

My question is with all those cameras wheres the footage..

wheres the Body...?

wheres the visa document..?

Why did they allow him to board a Public Bus... moments before..

lots of holes.. Im just saying there is alot more going on here than you think..

conspiracy has nothing to do with it..

rebuttal?

lets hear it Dowd..?

DoctorYo

Dowding · « **Reply #149 on:** July 26, 2005, 01:20:13 PM »

It's been four days since they shot the guy and the police are in the middle of the greatest manhunt the UK has ever seen; I'd rather they concentrated on finding the current bombers and their friends, to be honest. And that includes the officers who killed the Brazillian.

Don't worry, there will be a day of reckoning for what happened last week, in a public enquiry. The full facts will come to light. It's what happens when you live in the greatest democracy in the world. The body will be released when all forensics have been finished, any wrong doers will be punished.

And frankly, Brazil can collectively go **** itself right now.